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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2011, 23:44:57 »
Hi there,

Good to know that you're doing well. Quick question - right now I'm at stage 8 of the 20 MSR, 30 (text book) push ups, 50 sit ups and 10 over hand chin ups. I know that there is always room for improvement. But being a slightly older guy, I'm a little anxious about my numbers and the training in general. Do these look okay to you...?

Any input will be very much appreciated.

Thanks and all the best.
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2011, 08:58:39 »
You'd be around the middle of the pack with those scores - and in fairness many people thought they did good numbers only to have a large number counted out for improper technique.  Id work on the running and pushups personally - it is where the majority of issues are coming from. 
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2011, 10:49:11 »
Not sure if anyone is still following this thread, but figured an update never hurts.

Out of our original 54 we are now down to 47 at the end of week 8. The reasons were pretty varied - vr's fitness etc. We have our re-do of the express test coming up and will likely lose a few more - they let you continue if you fail one of the strength tests in week one, but not week 9.

You really do get used to the routine - 8 hours of sleep on the weekends feels like 11, 6 hours feels like 8 and 4 hours is just never fun (grins). We're mostly a combat arms platoon, so as expected we loved our time out in Farnham doing basic fieldwork. The staff have subtly shifted from yelling at us for all the things we do wrong to more of a coaching role - if we deserve it the yelling continues, but all in all they are more pleasant, etc. We've been lucky that most of the staff are also combat arms and they've taken a liking to us - we've been told they are adding elements which usually occur on CAP to better prepare us for that.

I'll try and put up more details over Xmas as typing on this phone is tedious. Feel free to toss any questions my way regarding basic
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2011, 08:49:34 »
I still keep an eye on you buddy.  ;).  Keep it up.  See you in a few weeks.

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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2011, 17:58:19 »
At the end of the PT test yesterday, our numbers have changed again:
We had 6 failures - most for the pushups. Of those 6, 4 are allowed a retest (they were very close to their requirements, missing it by 1 or 2) and 2 were recommended by the Platoon Commander to be released from the platoon. They have a progress review board hearing where the OC will decide their fate. They were warned back on week 1 what might happen if they were not up to standard, given personal training plans to get them up to standard, etc. To note, these applicants thought they were above the minimum standards.

I actually improved on my old scores: 32 to 41 pushups, 38 to 41 situps, and hand grip on each hand about 5 points. I admit to bowing out on the beep score early, wanted to save energy for the later portions of the test. Stayed the same at 10.5. A friend of mine pushed himself til 11.5 but did much worse on his hand grip later, so it really is a trade off.

I managed to get exemption status, which I had missed the first time around. Pretty happy about that.

In the final stretch here at BMOQ - most of the "recruit" portions are done and we've been focusing more on the "leadership" portions - more classroom stuff and mentally engaging processes as opposed to learning drill and military knowledge. Our days are shorter out of our rooms, but we have much more in terms of homework learning and practicing battle procedure and studying for exams. This will take us up to the Christmas break - coming back is right back into recruit-ish stuff - two weeks in the field, both of which are tests on our leadership ability (applying battle procedure and leading sections in the field).

Most of us are counting down the days til Christmas at this point - only a couple of more tests before Dec 15th!

Not sure if anyone is still following this thread, but figured an update never hurts.

Out of our original 54 we are now down to 47 at the end of week 8. The reasons were pretty varied - vr's fitness etc. We have our re-do of the express test coming up and will likely lose a few more - they let you continue if you fail one of the strength tests in week one, but not week 9.

You really do get used to the routine - 8 hours of sleep on the weekends feels like 11, 6 hours feels like 8 and 4 hours is just never fun (grins). We're mostly a combat arms platoon, so as expected we loved our time out in Farnham doing basic fieldwork. The staff have subtly shifted from yelling at us for all the things we do wrong to more of a coaching role - if we deserve it the yelling continues, but all in all they are more pleasant, etc. We've been lucky that most of the staff are also combat arms and they've taken a liking to us - we've been told they are adding elements which usually occur on CAP to better prepare us for that.

I'll try and put up more details over Xmas as typing on this phone is tedious. Feel free to toss any questions my way regarding basic
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2011, 18:16:34 »


Keep at it, keep improving. Enjoy the Christmas break.
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2011, 02:56:22 »
we have much more in terms of homework learning and practicing battle procedure and studying for exams. This will take us up to the Christmas break - coming back is right back into recruit-ish stuff - two weeks in the field, both of which are tests on our leadership ability (applying battle procedure and leading sections in the field).

Is it just me or do the 16 steps of battle procedure fit in nicely with the 12 Days of Christmas? Obviously you would have to add a few more days of Christmas but everyone would be okay with that...right?

The 12 Days of Christmas, The 16 Steps of Battle Procedure...both such cheery things  ;D.

Enjoy your much deserved break in December though and good luck in the rest of the course! Cheers!

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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2011, 16:01:29 »

Out of our original 54 we are now down to 47 at the end of week 8.


If anyone's interested, the other platoon is currently at 45 out of the original 52+3.

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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #83 on: December 03, 2011, 17:48:54 »
Thanks for the information Ayrsayle, it's interesting to hear about what you guys have to deal with.

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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2011, 01:04:49 »
If anyone's interested, the other platoon is currently at 45 out of the original 52+3.

That's most frustrating part of being on the merit list. For every course I'm not selected for there are a dozen jokers who waste everyone's time and money.

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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2011, 05:18:45 »
That's most frustrating part of being on the merit list. For every course I'm not selected for there are a dozen jokers who waste everyone's time and money.

And you know why those people are not on training anymore?   

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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2011, 07:25:13 »
For every course I'm not selected for there are a dozen jokers who waste everyone's time and money.

You could end up being one of these "jokers" so don't speak too soon. You won't know until you try it.
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2011, 07:50:40 »
That's most frustrating part of being on the merit list. For every course I'm not selected for there are a dozen jokers who waste everyone's time and money.


The CF is not the Educations System that guarantees 100% Pass Rates.   The CF seldom passes 100% of those who enrolled as NCMs or officers through Recruit and Basic Trades training (although it has happened and with the usual negative results).  It is detrimental to the professionalism of the CF to have "numpties" "Pass" and progress up the ladder to eventually produce more "numpties" and so on and so on.  This is not to say that it has not happened and it then becomes a case of us being our own worse enemy.
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2011, 11:31:34 »
Not all of the candidates who "failed" were incompetent - in truth many of them were surprising to us. One was very intelligent, physically fit and the kind of guy who could lift up everyone's morale simply by being there - English was not his first language however and he was unable to get past one of the tests (which we all struggled on - many of us honors students or graduate students).  Still another was forced onto compassionate leave as his daughter was born unexpectedly early. He tried to stay on the course but was ultimately re-coursed to another platoon due to his unavoidable absence.

Yes, there were a few who looked really good on paper only to be horribly unsuited to military life, but that is a pretty broad (and unfair) brush for everyone.

That's most frustrating part of being on the merit list. For every course I'm not selected for there are a dozen jokers who waste everyone's time and money.
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Re: BMOQ - September 2011
« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2011, 23:28:02 »
That's most frustrating part of being on the merit list. For every course I'm not selected for there are a dozen jokers who waste everyone's time and money.

I'm one of those failures.  I was recoursed twice.  Not because I couldn't hack the mind games or the drill or the tests (I was the top academic candidate in my course when I left)... not because I was sent to Warrior for failing the initial test... but because of bad luck.  I got sick on my first course and my lungs never healed.  I had serious breathing trouble walking.... sitting in the shade at the range... you name it.  I ran 7km with my platoon in morning PT and wheezed for ten minutes before I could try climbing the 10 storeys to my room.  Before joining the CF I was an active scuba diver (in the St-Lawrence, so diving in current and cold with no breathing issues) and now I don't know if I'll be able to do that again. 

No one, including myself, thought I would end up where I did.  I have strong leadership and project management skills.  I was physically fit enough that I could have passed the course if I stayed healthy.  When you end up at CFLRS you have no idea what could happen to you.