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Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« on: November 02, 2011, 10:48:40 »
http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/335061/un-doctorat-honorifique-pour-don-cherry

The article refers to RMC as being merely an "Ontario" establishment, as opposed to a national/Canadian institution ...
(personally, I'll be interested to see if the RMC professors who object to Don Cherry's honorary doctorate will resign from RMC ...)
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 11:24:34 »
Legally speaking, RMC issues Ontario degrees; hence it is an Ontario university. 

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 11:35:17 »
Mr Cherry has long been a booster for RMC (as well as the rest of the CF of course) and has some family ties to the institution. No matter what your opinion of his "performances" (newsflash, that's what they are, he plays a character on a tv show) on Coach's Corner are, it's hard to argue with the man's lengthy philanthropic efforts and his support of us as a whole.

Also a very nice, well spoken individual. Great idea in my opinion.

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 11:37:40 »
I can hear Bruce Dowbiggin choking on righteous indignation from here.

And I don't mind that one bit.

Other than that I have no dog in the fight but I am sure eyebrows would be raised if he was given a doctorate from the High Prairie Institute of Welding and Animal Husbandry.
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 11:38:26 »
Mr Cherry has long been a booster for RMC (as well as the rest of the CF of course) and has some family ties to the institution. No matter what your opinion of his "performances" (newsflash, that's what they are, he plays a character on a tv show) on Coach's Corner are, it's hard to argue with the man's lengthy philanthropic efforts and his support of us as a whole.

Also a very nice, well spoken individual. Great idea in my opinion.

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I suspect individuals with a first official langauge other than English may differ in their opinion of Mr Cherry's "support".

As well, the CF has already honored Mr Cherry for his support, presenting him with a CF Medallion of Service in 2008.
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 11:39:38 »
Other than that I have no dog in the fight but I am sure eyebrows would be raised if he was given a doctorate from the High Prairie Institute of Welding and Animal Husbandry.

Yes, but difference is that the High Prairie Institute of Welding and Animal Husbandry is a school that provides valuable, real-world skills.
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 11:42:38 »
I suspect individuals with a first official langauge other than English may differ in their opinion of Mr Cherry's "support".
I agree, which might explain why he's not getting an honourary degree here;)
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 11:44:07 »
Yes, but difference is that the High Prairie Institute of Welding and Animal Husbandry is a school that provides valuable, real-world skills.

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2011, 12:12:18 »
I agree, which might explain why he's not getting an honourary degree here;)

College Militaire Royale St Jean is not currently an accredited, degree-granting university; to my knowledge, at this time the are only able to grant a "Diplome des etudes collegiales".
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 12:13:13 »
Yes, but difference is that the High Prairie Institute of Welding and Animal Husbandry is a school that provides valuable, real-world skills.

 :rofl:

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Wasn't Cherry also made an honorary Patricia?

I agree that Cherry is a huge supporter, but I'm not a fan of "honorary doctorates" at the best of times. What the hell is he supposed to be a doctorate of anyway? It's one thing to give someone who was amazing at something and has a ton of experience a doctorate in that field, but what "field" is that for Cherry?
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 12:50:30 »
It's one thing to give someone who was amazing at something and has a ton of experience a doctorate in that field, but what "field" is that for Cherry?

Not being able to count to five (says the Habs fan).
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 13:29:34 »
College Militaire Royale St Jean is not currently an accredited, degree-granting university; to my knowledge, at this time the are only able to grant a "Diplome des etudes collegiales".

Yep. They are affiliated to St-Jean sur Richlieu' CEGEP.


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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 13:37:21 »
College Militaire Royale St Jean is not currently an accredited, degree-granting university; to my knowledge, at this time the are only able to grant a "Diplome des etudes collegiales".
Yep. They are affiliated to St-Jean sur Richlieu' CEGEP.

Thanks for the new info - then it'll be no honourary diploma in the near future for Grapes from here, then.
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 14:08:54 »
It's one thing to give someone who was amazing at something and has a ton of experience a doctorate in that field, but what "field" is that for Cherry?
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2011, 14:41:34 »
Sewing?

Hockey? Suit design? Professional ranting?  :P

Either way it's a nice gesture on the part of RMC for recognizing somebody who has been extremely supportive of the men and women of our Armed Forces.

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2011, 15:01:09 »
There's a growing tradition of people, whose career is made playing a buffoon in the media, receiving Honourary Doctorates......Stephen Colbert, Hunter S Thompson....Billy Graham....  ;)

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 13:12:51 »
Follow-up story in Le Devoir today - apparently 80% of RMC professors supported a motion to denounce the decision.

Original article at:  http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/335134/en-bref-les-profs-de-kingston-rejettent-cherry

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If it were up to professors at Royal Military College of Canada (RMC), Don Cherry would not receive honorary doctorate from the institution on November 17, as Le Devoir reported yesterday. General meeting, the teachers adopted by a majority estimated at 80% a motion denouncing the decision of the RMC Senate to grant Mr. Cherry the degree of doctor honoris causa. This motion, however, is symbolic and will not change the decision of the Senate, said the leadership in the late afternoon.

 Teachers, however, forwarded their complaints to the Minister of National Defence Peter MacKay. Five years ago, the Conservative government had blocked the granting of an honorary doctorate by the CMRC U.S. General Anthony Zinni: he blamed a position too critical of the actions of the former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Yesterday, Mr. MacKay's office said the decision to honor Mr. Cherry is the sole responsibility of the CMRC.
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2011, 08:43:34 »
I suspect individuals with a first official langauge other than English may differ in their opinion of Mr Cherry's "support".

Professor questions honorary degree for Don Cherry

Don Cherry, a huge advocate of our men and women in the military, has been selected to receive an honorary doctorate from Royal Military College — but not everyone is happy about it.

The college's senate approved awarding the controversial hockey commentator with the honour at a recent closed-door meeting.

But now at least one member of the faculty is protesting the decision publicly.

French professor Catherine Lord criticized the college's decision to honour Cherry in a letter sent to local media.

“On many occasions he publicly expressed his contempt for many groups of the Canadian population, notably for the French-speaking Canadians, for the (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered) community and for the immigrants,” Lord wrote.

“RMC is increasingly representative of the diverse society in which we live. RMC is a strong and unifying place.” 
 
Lord questioned what kind of message granting the honorary doctorate would send to the rest of the country.

“What message will RMC send, in celebrating Don Cherry, to the students coming from these groups? And what will the Canadian people remember from RMC, as a serious and prestigious institution?”

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2011, 09:12:37 »
“On many occasions he publicly expressed his contempt for many groups of the Canadian population, notably for the French-speaking Canadians, for the (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered) community and for the immigrants,” Lord wrote.

Well, as much as I think it's a questionable decision, those reasons are just ludicrous. He has never expressed "contempt" for any of those groups.

Here he is in 1992 meeting a homosexual on a talk show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dujtJfhclUs and the last thing I would say is he is showing "contempt."
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2011, 00:07:17 »
A classy move..........................and a nice shot. :nod:


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/11/04/18927271.html

Cherry passes on honorary degree from RMC

By Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun


Concerned controversy may take away from “a special day,” Don Cherry has declined an honorary degree from the Royal Military College.
“I can’t accept the degree and I won’t attend the convocation,” Cherry said in an interview Friday about the Nov. 17 ceremony in Kingston. “I am sad because I was really looking forward to spending time with the 800 cadets.”

Perhaps instead they can line up to get their picture taken with French Professor Catherine Lord.
It is because of her bizarre and vitriolic complaints that the legendary hockey coach and commentator wont be there.


“On many occasions he publicly expressed his contempt for many groups of the Canadian population, notably for the French-speaking Canadians, for the (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered) community and for the immigrants,” Lord wrote in an open letter. “What message will RMC send, in celebrating Don Cherry, to the students coming from these groups? And what will the Canadian people remember from RMC, as a serious and prestigious institution?”
The message would be: “Thanks, Don, for all you have done.” 
 
So much for all of those Canadian soldiers who have died in battle to assure free speech, I guess.
It’s also unfair because Cherry’s never had any serious issues with French-Canadians, other than those who want to separate from Canada.

To add insult to a vicious attack, the RMC faculty board passed a resolution of “dissatisfaction” about the 77-year-old receiving the degree — never once mentioning Cherry’s continuous and unabashed war time support for the troops.
The institution meanwhile stands behind its decision to grant him the degree.

“For more than two decades Don Cherry has been a stalwart public supporter of the members of the Canadian Forces and their families,” said spokesman Capt. Cynthia Kent. “Through his public appearances, he has continually drawn attention to the work and sacrifices of Canadian Forces members, along with the contributions of military families. In Canada and overseas, he has visited Canadian Forces personnel to boost their morale with both his entertaining personality and his heartfelt appreciation for their sacrifice. RMC’s honorary degree is also to recognize Mr. Cherry’s charitable causes, including organ donor awareness and Rose Cherry’s Home for Kids, which is a paediatric and hospice care facility for children now called the Darling Home for Kids.”
It’s difficult to find Lord’s resume of contributions to Canada but perhaps embarrassing RMC like this will earn her a Wikipedia mention and pats on the back from Canada’s left.

Either way it was a low blow aimed at Cherry, who not only is from Kingtson but has a long personal history with the college. His mother worked there, as did his grandfather, Richard Palamountain, who then enlisted with the Canadian Expeditionary Force where he fought and was wounded at Vimy Ridge in 1917. Palamountain returned back to the college as an employee following the war for 17 years until his death.
If not for a mean-spirited French teacher it would have been a special moment for the great Canadian patriot.

Cherry also has a long resume of honorary awards from Canada’s miliary and men and women in uniform.
He received the Canadian Forces Medallion for Distinguished Service, and was made an honorary lifetime member of the Royal Canadian Legion, an honorary member of the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery and an honorary membership in the Ontario Association of Police.
He said he was very proud to be bestowed this latest honorary degree but in light of the letter and public spectacle did not want to distract attention from the two others who were also honoured — the late RMC teacher Brig.-Gen. John (Jack) Cadieux and military veteran Lt.-Col. John Desmond Gibson.

“I wouldn’t want anything to take that moment away from those families,” Cherry said. “The day should be a positive.”
As for the classless move coming from inside an institution that should understand Cherry’s importance to the troops, the coach was philosophical.
“All I know is I went to Afghanistan to spend last Christmas with the Van Doos and they didn’t seem to mind me,” joked Cherry. “They treated me so well and I have to tell you I was sure proud of them.”

With the help of the legendary Quebec City Royal 22e Régiment he fired an artillery shell on which he wrote “To the Taliban: Bon Chance” to which he later joked to the troops, “I think I spelled it wrong (it should have been ‘bonne’) but they got the idea.” Being with the Van Doos “was by far the greatest thing I have ever done in my life and the greatest thing I will ever do,” he added.
However he did point one thing missing from the trip:

“When I was in Afghanistan in all the bases I visited I didn’t see Catherine Lord there anywhere."
 
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2011, 00:22:11 »
“When I was in Afghanistan in all the bases I visited I didn’t see Catherine Lord there anywhere."

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2011, 00:31:26 »
I guess considering that the RMC faculty list is open source here on the internet, Catherine Lord might be finding herself deluged with emails. 





Edited for horrible spelling error.  Deluged with emails not deluded .  :facepalm:
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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2011, 00:39:18 »
I wish the press would stop referring to Catherine Lord as "Professor".  She is a language teacher, period.

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Re: Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2011, 00:48:30 »
Good point.
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