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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 17:02:27 »
Pick what you want and apply for that. There is no way to predict what will get you in quicker and what will give you the best chance of success.

Picking something that you think that you will like, however, will probably help your motivation rather than something that you may quickly come to hate.

As for your relationship, if there are weaknesses, the CF will either show them up or help them blossom. That may well turn out to be a blessing if it happens.

Your fiancee may, instead, like the lifestyle.

Deployment cannot be predicted. I'm a pilot and did two tours in KAF in the past three years. There were people from at least most of the other occupations that you listed over there as well.

As for the 1 in 800 number, that was the ratio of pilot wannabes (recruiting-centre walk-ins) to Wings graduates in the eighties. The number has probably not changed significantly since then.

Only three of my Aircrew Selection serial ended up in Portage for the Primary Flying Course, after a large bunch had already been rejected at the recruiting centres. Fifty percent of my PFC did not make it through, and somewhere around a third of my Basic Flying Course in Moose Jaw either washed out, quit, or were re-coursed - and possibly more.

Stop over-analyzing and decide what you really want, then do it.

Pop into your local Naval Reserve unit, as has been suggested (call first), and meet a few people to get a better idea of what is involved.

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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2012, 17:26:25 »
LOL I know your type - 'cause I'm just like you ;).  I struggle with over analyzing EVERYTHING until I know beyond a doubt the correct answer too.  ;D  I figured you have used Pilot as an example - but the comment about having to re-assess your desire for the position if you felt you 'wouldn't get it' kind of struck a chord that you MIGHT be approaching the entire CF thing the wrong way ENTIRELY.   I can see where you are coming from with your skilled trades choices - but why commit yourself to do something because you think you can *force* yourself to tolerate it?  It would be a real shame to take the job from someone who really WOULD love it and have a strong aptitude for it and make it their life long career, while at the same time you are hating it and you aren't not doing something you love/enjoy and maybe make it your own long term career? (no need to be an unemployed Freudian BA undergrad... ;))  You almost seem to be viewing the CF as a stepping stone -  if you want a quick trade, there are tons of apprenticeships that are a hell of a lot easier to get in than trying to do it through the CF.   Consider - you wouldn't spend the money or time on a certain career in the civvy world - you PROBABLY shouldn't be considering it in the CF, but that's just my opinion.

I am uneducated in the classical sense (college diploma with honors - no HS diploma.. LMAO!), and I didn't *think* I could even consider an Officer trade.   WELL... like I said - the CFAT scores opened up ALL the bloody trades AND the Officer trades as well... I was a bit taken aback, but I felt pretty good about myself.  From my previous work and volunteer experience, (and the aptitude tests) I have realized that Logistics really is my forte and passion.  (interestingly - this was my first question to the recruiter when I darkened the doors last July.  I was told of the education requirements and *realized* that it simply wasn't going to happen for me).  In the end I chose Supp Tech and RMS Clerk - and ran with that.   I got merit listed before Christmas after *being SURE* that I wasn't going to be medically fit according to Ottawa... (again - I was trying to decide what Ottawa was going to say)   I went against my first reaction to just forget about the whole process because I was convinced of what the result would be,  the *older - more mature* me took over and told me to LET OTTAWA decide.  It's THEIR job, and apparently - I don't have a FREAKING CLUE what they were looking for. ;) 

On Tuesday I handed in my ROTP questionnaire and I will let the RCM decide if I am qualified to be enrolled in school.  Of course- if the Supp Tech call comes, I'm going to be ALL over it like ugly on an ape.   ;)
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2012, 17:52:34 »
Hey congratulations to you Diamondwillow, things seem to be looking up for you.

Good luck on RMC! I wish I had though of that before going to a civilian Univ. I inquired about Graduate programs, but learned they don't do the military experience, and you can't live on campus. Doh!

I did some handyman work on my own for the first time a few days ago, and loved it. It feels good to be useful, to be a practical man like my forefathers, rather than a white collar gabber. I wish I could build a house, for example, like my granddad did. It doesn't come natural to me, and I'm not sure I could compete with guys who have a real aptitude for it, but it's worth considering.

I learned that it will take me about a month (a bloody month!) to get my HS transcripts for the application anyway, so I have some time to narrow it down to three.

I'm also hoping that some skills from other trades will rub off on me in close quarters, or that I could take courses in my spare time. Like for example, a MARS learning from a hull technician during slow time, or taking weekend courses in repairs, or cooking, or whatever other skill. That would rock. Best of both worlds I guess.



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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2012, 19:12:04 »
There are resources like the MFRCs that can assist spouse's and, if things haven't changed too much, your spouse will become part of that "families left behind" family that tend to look after each other when mbr's are deployed.

Don't they call this the "soap box" family back in Gagetown?

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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2012, 20:18:27 »
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2012, 17:55:33 »
As for the original Q, you have to look at a lot of things.

Sure, you may be deployed for 3-9mon overseas in a country like Afghanistan. That may not sit well with the fiancee. Logically, you may wanna choose a trade that rarely goes 'in harms way on the frontlines'. Maybe you choose a job that puts you around the country/globe (in relative safety) for a week quite consistanely. That may have a more grievous effect on niner-domestic than having a few month tour every few years.

I am one of those guys who took the trade that's deployed a lot. I went over telling everyone 'nothing'll happen' but sure enough, it did. Mr Big ol'bomb got me and quite nearly killed. When I was recovering, suddenly every relative and their dog had an opinion about me staying in the military. Much to their dismay, I stayed in and 6yrs later, they can respect me for making up my mind on my own. I can look at them and not worry about 'what ifs' and other possibilities.

What I am saying is: Choose a job that you want to do. Choose something that you can see yourself happily in 5yrs down the road  and still enjoy it. Over the years, a lot of people on the boards have said 'The military is not a job - it's a way of life' and they are very true. If you are looking for a rock to hold onto during this economic storm of our times, try politics. I read they make good money.  ;)
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2012, 09:18:51 »
As for the original Q, you have to look at a lot of things.

Sure, you may be deployed for 3-9mon overseas in a country like Afghanistan. That may not sit well with the fiancee. Logically, you may wanna choose a trade that rarely goes 'in harms way on the frontlines'. Maybe you choose a job that puts you around the country/globe (in relative safety) for a week quite consistanely. That may have a more grievous effect on niner-domestic than having a few month tour every few years.

I am one of those guys who took the trade that's deployed a lot. I went over telling everyone 'nothing'll happen' but sure enough, it did. Mr Big ol'bomb got me and quite nearly killed. When I was recovering, suddenly every relative and their dog had an opinion about me staying in the military. Much to their dismay, I stayed in and 6yrs later, they can respect me for making up my mind on my own. I can look at them and not worry about 'what ifs' and other possibilities.

What I am saying is: Choose a job that you want to do. Choose something that you can see yourself happily in 5yrs down the road  and still enjoy it. Over the years, a lot of people on the boards have said 'The military is not a job - it's a way of life' and they are very true. If you are looking for a rock to hold onto during this economic storm of our times, try politics. I read they make good money.  ;)

Hey Ghost, glad you're still around to post this  :warstory:

I submitted my application for MARS, and want that or the NCM Naval trades of NES, NCI, or Sonar Op, in that order. I expect to be deployed consistently, but this is what I want to do with my life.

It was frustrating that on the application you could only choose either 3 Officer jobs, or 3 NCM jobs, as opposed to a mix. I have no interest in any Officer position other than MARS, but am interested in 3 other NCM Naval jobs, which I could not select. Does anyone know why they use this method?

The theme of this thread seems to be that all trades can be deployed, and it's not easy to predict. Ghost, your post seems to go against that, implying that you expect some trades to be deployed more than others.

Can you elaborate?


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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2012, 10:04:48 »

The theme of this thread seems to be that all trades can be deployed, and it's not easy to predict.

That is correct. It is not difficult to predict. It is near impossible. Take 2011 for me. I was deployed overseas 3 times on actual operations. One of them was OP MOBILE, i got 3 hours notice for that one. You can't predict stuff like that (we deployed with around a dozen different trades in my unit alone) regardless of trade or current unit.
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2012, 12:31:14 »
3 hours notice?? LMAO! thanks for the heads up...  :D

From my enrollment experience, the NCM and Officer trades are two completely different files as are the NCM-SEP vs the direct entry trades.  Other than perhaps a paperwork nightmare I'm not sure why they don't allow more than one file to be opened.  (Apparently I could not open a new NCM -SEP file with my direct entry trade file open BUT I was able to send in my ROTP questionnaire and therefore open a second file in this case - that being said, my direct entry file was complete already and I was on the merit list.  Not sure if that had a bearing on it or not) 
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2012, 13:18:19 »
3 hours notice?? LMAO! thanks for the heads up...  :D


That is definitely a possibility, depending on your trade.  Same goes with unexpected deployment extensions, change of postings, etc....
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2012, 13:35:04 »
That is definitely a possibility, depending on your trade.  Same goes with unexpected deployment extensions, change of postings, etc....


Alrighty then - definitely keeps one on their toes... I like that ... lol until it happens to me ... then I'm sure it will seem *inconvenient*  ;)
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2012, 13:46:13 »
Hey Ghost, glad you're still around to post this  :warstory:

I submitted my application for MARS, and want that or the NCM Naval trades of NES, NCI, or Sonar Op, in that order. I expect to be deployed consistently, but this is what I want to do with my life.

It was frustrating that on the application you could only choose either 3 Officer jobs, or 3 NCM jobs, as opposed to a mix. I have no interest in any Officer position other than MARS, but am interested in 3 other NCM Naval jobs, which I could not select. Does anyone know why they use this method?

The theme of this thread seems to be that all trades can be deployed, and it's not easy to predict. Ghost, your post seems to go against that, implying that you expect some trades to be deployed more than others.

Can you elaborate?

If the is the overall message you got from my post, I apologize as it is incorrect. All jobs go out the door. Does every trade go for 6mons to the 'dangerous' frontlines of the Gan? No. The navy goes seaside a lot, the airforce seems to go everywhere. On the flipside, say you aren't deployed, then you can be put on career courses that last a few weeks to a few months or exercizes of the same type of duration.

From MY experience, as an infanteer, here's what I can recall for time away from home or deployment.

-Every 2-3 mon was a 2-3wk training ex where I was in the boonies. If you were lucky, didn't get jacked up, and were not in a tactical ex, you could trudge up to the top of a hill for a 15min cell call (assuming you have a cell tower nearby)
-Twice a year was a PCF cycle where you get to leave a little earlier and son some days, stay later. The course would run about a month. Mine were all on base so I got to go home. Some courses are elsewhere so you will be away for that month.
-A 6month deployment to the Gan. I had snail mail and email but I am informed that those at the front now (in FOBs) don't have those luxuries all the time. Email for an hour every 2-4wks and snailmail that arrive via supply delivery every few days. The workup training can mean 6-12mon before you go overseas, you are on early mornings/late evening or frequent ex's too (again, this info is from '08 so I don't know if they have improved that family stresser or not)
-The occasional bugout where you are called in at 3am

Now from what I know:
-Some trades and positions can be on 3hr/24hr/3d/1wk notice to move meaning they can be deployed away with only that much notice given. Sometimes, regular units and positions can be put on this length of notice in a time of need. My unit was on 24hrs notice when MB was flooding, as an example.
-The higher up you go in your trade, more specialised courses are available to you. Unfortunately, these courses frequently require you to go away for a period of time to take them. Usually the courses offered when you are an FNG are offered at or near your place of work.

My closing opinion about your original predicament:
Yes, the job can be stressful for a family. What I have seen around my unit (again, infantry) is the real successful marriages involve the member and a really strong spouse who can take goto work, take the kids to school, shop for groceries and clean all by themselves. I believe they stay in their union b/c the genuinely love the member and enjoy being a part of something bigger. The great thing about 'army spouses' is that there are a lot of them and while you are at work working admidst your tight-knit briotherhood, the spouses have their own form of tight-knit comraderie that mutually supports oneanother. I look at some of my comrades' wives and admire how strong they are. They may not have all started off being that strong of a person, but their experiences and efforts make them into those people who I admire today.

I realise this may be a lot of information. I understand it may also bring up more questions. The military is like any job out there. Do you wish to commit to the job? Does your significant other wish to commit to you and your endeavor in achieving this goal? You could be in any other job and it may take you from home, put you in danger, or occupy a lot of your life at random times. Your spouse will have to deal with them too. Policemen, firefighteres, corporate CEO, scientist, even Greenpeace activist. That's the joy of being tied to another person these days.
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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2012, 14:18:00 »
Good post, Jack.

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Re: Deployment probabilities
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2012, 17:29:43 »
Thanks for the insight, Jack. I'm encouraged  :camo: