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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #75 on: January 18, 2012, 15:09:25 »
I beleive, but am not certain, that they can determine all of the material he would have accessed electronically.  However, this is something they would now be doing after the fact.

As far as a paper registry, absolutely, there are controls applied to that IF done properly. 
Again though, I think in this case, the worst case scenario would be unlikely.  If I am wrong, I think there will be more then one person in hot water over this.

He would only have been given sufficient privileges on the computer networks to access data needed to do his job.  Network permissions are usually granted based on the member's role, and access to data outside his own organization would have been severely restricted.  Very few people get widespread access to information, and they're system administrators, not users.  That said, access to data within his own organization is usually not restricted unless the owner of the data wants it locked down.

It would be very easy for system admins to determine what data he had access to, and security logs would reveal if he tried to access data to which he did not have sufficient privileges to access.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2012, 19:07:39 »
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Natynczyk says military knows how to keep secrets safe
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120118/navy-spy-case-120118/#ixzz1jrFuDsM9

The Canadian Press

Date: Wednesday Jan. 18, 2012 3:09 PM ET

OTTAWA — The country's top military commander is trying to scrub away some of the tarnish created by an unfolding spy scandal involving a junior naval intelligence officer.

In his first public comment on the case, Gen. Walt Natynczyk says the military takes the security of sensitive information very seriously and is always mindful of the effects of leaks.

In a written statement, the chief of the defence staff says everyone handling secrets is required to not only observe stringent procedures, but expected to conduct themselves ethically and in a manner consistent with military values.

Natynczyk, who is in Brussels at a NATO defence chiefs meeting, wouldn't comment directly on the case of Sub-Lt. Jeffrey Paul Delisle, who was charged this week with communicating information to a foreign entity without authorization.

The charges are the first ever laid under revised national security legislation passed in the wake of 9/11.

It's been suggested that Delisle was spying for Russia -- something Defence Minister Peter MacKay refuses to confirm or deny.




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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #77 on: January 18, 2012, 22:09:25 »
I was just sent a link to CTV's coverage of the event (through my COC no less) and I made the dire mistake of reading the comments.  Angry Face.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2012, 22:50:15 »
According to this report, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, we are now expelling some Russians:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-expels-russian-diplomats-in-wake-of-charges-against-canadian/article2308879/
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Ottawa expels Russian diplomats in wake of charges against Canadian

STEVEN CHASE , OLIVER MOORE  AND TAMARA BALUJA

OTTAWA, HALIFAX AND TORONTO— From Friday's Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Jan. 19, 2012

The Harper government has expelled staff at Russia’s embassy in the wake of charges filed against a Canadian military intelligence officer for allegedly passing secrets to a foreign power, The Globe and Mail has learned.

The names of two Russian diplomats – including a defence attaché – and two technical staff at the embassy have been dropped from the Department of Foreign Affairs’ official list of diplomatic, consular and foreign government representatives recognized by Ottawa.

The Canadian government has not officially confirmed news reports that Russia was the recipient of secret information that Sub-Lieutenant Jeffrey Paul Delisle now stands accused of giving to a “foreign entity.”

He was charged under Canada’s Security of Information Act on Monday and is now in custody in Halifax awaiting a bail hearing on Jan. 25.

The matter risks casting a chill over Canada-Russia relations as the two nations jockey for position in the race for Arctic resources. The accusation that there was a spy in the ranks of the Canadian military has the potential to damage this country’s standing among defence allies.

The Russian embassy in Canada dismissed the suggestion that its diplomats or staff were expelled in reprisal for the Delisle case, saying any departures were part of a normal rotation of employees on foreign postings. They say the staffers in question returned home at the end of 2011.

“Their term of contract has expired. That’s all,” a Russian embassy official said. “It’s a planned shift of the diplomatic staff.”

The Globe and Mail has learned, however, that a number of Russian embassy staff – more than one – have left Canada in connection with the alleged spy affair.

A Russian embassy official acknowledged the following three staffers have recently left Canada, saying, however, that all departures were routine:

- Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry V. Fedorchatenko, assistant defence attaché.

- Konstantin Kolpakov, attaché.

- Mikhail Nikiforov, with the administrative and technical staff.

The embassy did not provide a clear explanation for the fourth name now gone from Canada’s official list of diplomatic, consular and foreign government representatives: Tatiana Steklova, who had been described as “administrative and technical staff.”

All four of these names were part of the official Foreign Affairs daily list as of Jan. 18 and were also part of a monthly January, 2012, list the department recently published.

The four names disappeared from the daily list as of Jan. 19.

Christian Leuprecht, an associate professor of political science at Royal Military College, said Canada has tremendous incentive to keep any expulsions low key and avoid reprisals and diplomatic spats that might escalate.

“The Canadian government does not want to get into the sort of tit-for-tat that the British and the Russian governments have been in for the last almost three years with constantly expelling each other’s diplomats in retaliation,” he said.

“Likely what the government is trying to do here is have a quiet resolution to this matter and chances are the Russian Foreign Minister would have been given a head’s up ... that the Canadian government will be asking the Russians to withdraw these individuals but that the Canadian government would do so without making public that request in order to safeguard the political relationship and not turn it into any more of an embarrassment.”

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird declined comment when asked if Canada had any hand in the fact four Russian embassy staffers were dropped from Ottawa’s official list of diplomatic, consular and foreign government representatives.

“The matter is before the courts and on a national security file; I am just not inclined to comment at this time,” he said in an interview.

Geoffrey O’Brian, a former director-general of counterintelligence at CSIS, said operatives pay close attention to military attachés at Russian embassies, trying to discern who is a member of the GRU, Russia’s largest foreign intelligence agency.

“The military attachés are classically the group from which GRU officers come, so part of the spy game – the equivalent of Where’s Waldo? – is to find out which of the military attaché staff are GRU officers and which aren’t,” Mr. O’Brian said.

SLt. Delisle – now the centre of what could be Canada’s biggest spy scandal in more than half a century – had started to bounce back in the years after declaring bankruptcy in his late 20s, moving from the reserves to the regular forces and starting his climb up the ranks of enlisted men.

But starting late in 2004 the serviceman suffered a series of new setbacks.

Two young daughters aged 10 and 11 were hit by an SUV while walking near their home in suburban Halifax, an incident that put one in the hospital and sparked a years-long battle for money. The serviceman dealt with the fallout of his girls’ injuries with his wife at his side. But court documents filed in the last 13 months indicate their union had since broken down and that they were now living in separate provinces.

It was in this period, the RCMP allege, that the serviceman started spying for a “foreign entity.”

The charges came after another attempt to rebuild his life. When arrested, he was living with a different woman, maintaining shared custody of his two daughters and had graduated from Royal Military College and moved to a job at an important intelligence unit in Halifax. But even then the echoes of his former problems continued to reverberate.

Court documents show that he was continuing to have difficulties securing money – a total of $10,500 that was to be held in trust for his daughters – from the man who hit his children. It’s not revealed in the documents, the most recent of which was filed at the end of November, whether he was able to get any money at all.

With reports from Jennifer MacMillan and Daniel Leblanc


Official Ottawa is still be commendably reticent about this case.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2012, 23:02:24 »
Surely some of the Tom Clancy "Cardinal of The Kremlin/Hunt for Red October educated" experts will be crying louder now with the mention of GRU.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2012, 07:17:28 »
The Globe and Mail has published a photo of SLt Delisle:


SLt Paul Delisle
Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/military-releases-first-photo-of-officer-accused-of-espionage/article2308592/

The news story says the photo is from the RMC yearbook; it says Delisle graduated from RMC (presumably UTPNCM) in 2009 with a degree in political science.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2012, 07:21:57 »

Just want to follow the thread.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2012, 08:00:00 »
I guess it's safe to say bye-bye to the CD.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2012, 08:08:43 »
Media is now mining internet forums for blurbs to put into stories.

I remind everyone again to watch what they say and who they PM with.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #84 on: January 20, 2012, 08:13:33 »
Media is now mining internet forums for blurbs to put into stories.

You know you are grasping at straws to make your article when....

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2012, 08:17:43 »
I'm not so concerned with them grabbing quotes from here or elsewhere...but I know for a fact that some of them lack the scruples to post publicly asking for info - they'll stoop to sending mass PMs out to members, and that ain't right and it ain't tolerated.

That's got nothing to do with the rule abiding and respectful members of the media we have here.

And already I can literally hear the salivating of certain columnists who profess to be "in the know". I imagine one or two might be upset at the timing of this news, as their article was already gone to edits and prepped for release.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2012, 08:41:37 »
I guess it's safe to say bye-bye to the CD.

You don't "lose" a CD.  You can have your clasp deferred as of the day of the charge (IF found guilty).  For example, a memberwas charged with something on 1 Jan 2010 and was due for his CD clasp in 2014, upon being found guilty of said offence, his clasp is now to be given to him in 2018, 8 years after the offence occured.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2012, 09:16:03 »
Yes but medals have been relinquished in the past, and if found guilty could be the case.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #88 on: January 20, 2012, 09:17:46 »
Media is now mining internet forums for blurbs to put into stories.
You know you are grasping at straws to make your article when....
Agreed - according to one story, this is how media see the role of int via forums :
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.... 3 Intelligence Company focuses on information gathering and its staff are trained to be proficient in information technology and mapping. Members are tasked with providing guidance to help their superiors at home or abroad, some online reports suggest ....
Yup, this certainly gives the public a truly textured feel for the work >>eyeroll<<
I remind everyone again to watch what they say and who they PM with.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #89 on: January 20, 2012, 09:49:50 »
Hey, it's been shotgun or gotcha reporting for some of them for a while now.

Like I said, I can't wait for certain columnists to get their teeth sunk into this.

If anyone has received unsolicited PMs from someone they suspect is working for the media please report it to the Staff immediately.

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« Reply #90 on: January 20, 2012, 09:58:18 »
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I for one am ok with this.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #91 on: January 20, 2012, 10:14:32 »
I guess it's safe to say bye-bye to the CD.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #92 on: January 20, 2012, 14:17:23 »
Yes, yes.  That's who I meant, "The Press Corps",  CBC in particular.   ;D

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #93 on: January 20, 2012, 15:02:11 »
You know you are grasping at straws to make your article when....
Such as his going bankrupt years ago?  WTF does that have to do with the issue today?  I was shaking my head in dismay/disgust at this sort of BS reporting.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #94 on: January 20, 2012, 15:04:58 »
Lack of official info being released equals a quick read of whatever spy novel is hanging around - voila - story material.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #95 on: January 20, 2012, 15:05:18 »
Such as his going bankrupt years ago?  WTF does that have to do with the issue today?

You don't think that someone with potential financial problems might be a bit more at risk to sell secrets?

IIRC, the 291ers got their security clearances lowered temporarily if they had financial issues.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2012, 15:08:32 »
You don't think that someone with potential financial problems might be a bit more at risk to sell secrets?

IIRC, the 291ers got their security clearances lowered temporarily if they had financial issues.
That is always a possibility, but then everyone has an Achilles heel.  Still, his bankruptcy happened many years before this incident.  They are digging up any dirt they can find.  I know that is their job, but it's hack reporting.
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2012, 15:11:25 »
I've been put through the financial checks a couple of times for different projects, one of which was AECL, which is kind of a no-brainer.

Don't kid yourself, finances is likely one of the easiest compelling reasons for someone to slip up. Not that this makes it right...
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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2012, 15:12:01 »
That is always a possibility, but then everyone has an Achilles heel.  Still, his bankruptcy happened many years before this incident.  They are digging up any dirt they can find.  I know that is their job, but it's hack reporting.

The problem is that the money problems didn't end there.  See reply #78 in this thread.

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Re: Bedford man faces espionage charges
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2012, 15:13:15 »
You don't think that someone with potential financial problems might be a bit more at risk to sell secrets?

IIRC, the 291ers got their security clearances lowered temporarily if they had financial issues.

....and that is only one of many reasons that a "Change of Circumstances" may occur. 

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