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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2012, 18:01:08 »
Was he PLF? I totally know that guy.

Didn't see his headress.  Shorter, filipino-ish maybe?  Petawawa GD in 2009
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 02:07:33 »
The stereotype of a "knife fanatic" as a usually young, dumb male who harbors latent insecurities is not always the truth.  I haven't seen many but two always come to mind.  One's actions (back in the mid 1970s) resulted in the carrying of all non-issued sheath knives being banned in 1 CBG.  During a BAA ex in the Sarcee trg area, he became a little exhuberent while playing enemy force (even though he wasn't supposed to be with them) and nearly severed the thumb of a 1 Fd Amb MCpl MSE Op.  What made it more strange was that he was a doctor and the CO (. . . Rene in the bush).

It's odd that the other knife nut I ran across was also a doctor, but in the USAF.  I met him on a cold dark night on the ramp at Ramstein Air Base.  An evac flight from downrange (it was during Desert Storm) had recently arrived and we were unloading the patients and moving them into the ASF.  As I was surveying the activities, an individual left the plane and came over to me with a couple of questions about onward evac to hospital.  Though he was dressed in typical flying clothing (flight suit and jacket), he was also wearing webbing and a helmet.  There were knives attached (hilt down) to each of the shoulder straps, a knife was on each hip and smaller knives strapped to each of his boots (his flight suit was bloused over his boots).  It took some control not to laugh in this senior officer's face.

Is having a non-issued knife useful; I would have to stongly agree.  I've had one and have been carrying the same item since the late 1970s (both in uniform and out).  I've used it frequently on course, on exercise and on operations.  I bought it at the Sally Ann in Lahr (actually I bought a couple - they were only a few marks each).  It's a Swiss Army penknife (a very small blade, a file/screwdriver, a scissors, a toothpick and a tweezer).  Most often it's on my keychain, though I have also clipped one to my dogtag chain on occasion.  I've occasionly carried a belt knife in the field and when we were issued multi-tools that also became an item to consider, but no other edged implement has been as useful as that tiny little red knife.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 02:57:55 »
Bring your multi-tool, the 2ish inch blade is enough. When you eventually end up in the field you will have a bayonet which your course staff will make you carry and that can handle anything your multi-tool can't.

I have a knife guy in my platoon he carries three knives one being an 8" fileting monster as well as leatherman and gerber multi-tools, and two flashlights. Looks ridiculous, well it use to till his Sgt got wind of it and put an end to it all.

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2012, 08:15:27 »
Years ago on a forced march on the field portion of a course, this kid was having one heck of a hard time.  Half way through he asked me if he could ditch some kit in the woods and go back for it later.  Needless to say the answer was no (there may have been some expletives used).  It was a bit strange because he was in pretty good shape.  Mind you for some, a first BFT can be rough.  Anyway he made it through but at the end I went to check his ruck and could barely get it above my knees.  I got him to open it up and you should have seen the junk in there.  Among the many useless items he also had a hatchet, a camp stove, pot set, one of those collapsable shovels, a rambo style knife (you know with the compass on the end) and about a half dozen throwing knives  :facepalm:

He basically said he had the throwing knives "just in case".  I guess he had heard about the drop ninjas that roam the forests of pettawawa....
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2012, 10:35:06 »
We had one guy on course this summer who insisted that his collapsible shovel is the best thing known to mankind.  He even sharpend the edges for some strange reason to turn into a shovel/hatchet/knife/sword combo.  Our staff found out, laughed, and then told him to dig a hole with it.  The shovel part failed.  Then he was asked to cut a small branch with it.  The sharpened part failed.  I think it broke the next day when he tried to dig a trench with it, or start a fire, or chop down a tree I can't remember which.

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2012, 11:01:20 »
Knife guys are always good for a laugh....

I've bought/carried/tried out more then a few in my 13 years... I've found that in Garrison there is rarely ever a need to carry any more then the multi-tool (issued Gerber, or a Leatherman if you're fancy...) and a simple, sturdy folding blade pocket knife... I use a Gerber with a Tanto blade semi serrated... I would get a better high end knife but so far this is holding up...

In the field I carry a SOG Seal pup on my TV and it has come in handy many a time.

I've yet to see a need to carry anything with a blade larger then 6".... Hell, I dont even keep my bayonet on the TV most times as its large clumsy and just gets in the way...

To each their own, but as a mechanised support troop there is no need for a Rambo knife,  or a Samurai Katana, or a Roman Gladius or anything like that.... We have rifles for a reason....

My belief is that if you want to carry some sort of "High Speed Special Ops Commando Knife" maybe you should apply, pass, and become a "High Speed Special Ops Commando" first....  Over there I never say any of the CSOR or JTF guys I ran across carrying any giant fighting knives...

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2012, 11:15:13 »
Using a Gerber Crucial.  Smaller and lighter than the issued one and the components are on the outside. Plus the needle nose pliers are somewhat better.  Also have a foldable pocket knife for quick work here and there.  It's also half serrated and tanto style.  Does the trick.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2012, 12:32:44 »
We had one guy on course this summer who insisted that his collapsible shovel is the best thing known to mankind.  He even sharpend the edges for some strange reason to turn into a shovel/hatchet/knife/sword combo.  Our staff found out, laughed, and then told him to dig a hole with it.  The shovel part failed.  Then he was asked to cut a small branch with it.  The sharpened part failed.  I think it broke the next day when he tried to dig a trench with it, or start a fire, or chop down a tree I can't remember which.

I attended the BSERE course at CFSSAT, 17 Wing.  For cutting tools, we had a Laplander saw (awesome piece of kit) and a folding e-tool, somewhat sharpened on one edge.  I cut down numerous hardwood and softwood trees with this, and used it to de-limb them, and that instance it was perfect and allowed me to work smarter not harder.  I can't imagine how long the laplander alone would have taken me, particularly on the de-limbing part.  This was all we had to build a lean-to, smoke generator, etc.

The key is to hold the thing by the shaft as close as you can to the shovel head, and to NOT use too much force.  If you do those 2 things, its a great piece of kit for more than just digging.

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2012, 13:31:12 »
Was he PLF? I totally know that guy.

Oh please tell me the PLF has not dropped to the level that they would allow that.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2012, 13:46:08 »
Buddy of mine got one of these (if memory serves) years back from a CF mbr family friend who picked this up at an American PX in Afghanistan...   Either way it's under 4inches and was a really nice knife if one ever has the desire for a nice locking blade.    http://www.crkt.com/M16-14-Desert-Big-Dog-Tan-Tanto-AutoLAWKS-Combo-Edge?&search_id=1073763

If the OP wants to get his friend a knife, I don't see why you'd need anything more than this.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2012, 20:23:44 »
As I recall from reading "All Quiet on the Western Front" (albeit 25 years ago), the German Army started issuing saw-toothed bayonets to soldiers at one point during WWI.  The usual routine for new troops arriving at the front was for the veterans to immediately take the saw-toothed bayonets away from them and replace them with the older straight blades.  They would then dispose of the saw-tooth blades.  The reason?  They had found some of their dead comrades in no-man's land with various bits sawn of them. 

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2012, 06:04:41 »
Oh please tell me the PLF has not dropped to the level that they would allow that.

You missed the 90's?
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2012, 06:19:23 »
Wow, I didn't realize that our country had declared war on Manbearpig.

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2012, 13:18:40 »
You missed the 90's?

With PLF yes, I was an 80's child.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2012, 14:00:46 »
Buddy of mine got one of these (if memory serves) years back from a CF mbr family friend who picked this up at an American PX in Afghanistan...   Either way it's under 4inches and was a really nice knife if one ever has the desire for a nice locking blade.    http://www.crkt.com/M16-14-Desert-Big-Dog-Tan-Tanto-AutoLAWKS-Combo-Edge?&search_id=1073763

If the OP wants to get his friend a knife, I don't see why you'd need anything more than this.

This is the one knife I carry.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2012, 14:49:27 »
To the OP,

I have a 4" SOG 'hunting style' knife. It worked super handy for all the RQMS jobs I had and was really happy with it. My unit's SOP was 'if it is worn on your belt and it is concealed by your tunic, then it is okay' (the exception was a jump knife which had to be earned).

The guys thought is was really nice and I had compliment galore on it...

...then it was stolen.

Lesson: if your friend wishes to wear a knife, he should be prepared that it may go missing one day. IMHO, sentimental stuff shouldn't be worn daily.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2012, 15:09:33 »
I spent 26 yrs in the CF, the first 15 in the Infantry. I always carried a knife but I found that as I grew older and wiser the knife got smaller and more practical.  ;)
I finally settled on my Gerber and a Spyderco Endura for all of my related cutting tasks and carried both for the last 11 years of my CF career and still do when I'm stomping around in the bush.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2012, 13:56:08 »
This is the one knife I carry.

If Seggie carries that M-16 knife (be it in combat or prying dashboards out in car fires) then its good enough for you...who ever the OP was.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2012, 14:01:42 »
If Seggie carries that M-16 knife (be it in combat or prying dashboards out in car fires) then its good enough for you...who ever the OP was.

The Berber multi tool did that. I didn't have that knife at the time.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2012, 16:30:10 »
Ah, well point still stands in a way.  If you carry it now then it must be worth its weight.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2012, 15:10:54 »
A good knife is the Fallkniven F1. That's what I carry when I go camping.

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2012, 15:33:34 »
0ttoDestruct carries one of these, a Morakniv Clipper. It's a phenomenal blade. I have a Grohman #4 but I've switched to carrying this, and plan to pick up a good folder (CRKT likely) at some point, just haven't gotten around to it, as something just to keep in my pocket. I have a classic Swiss Army knife that I've had since I was 13, I may just stick with that too.

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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2012, 15:55:12 »
I first started using a CRKT as my rope wrench almost ten years ago. I still have that knife and it goes everywhere with me. Good kit from CRKT.
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2012, 07:52:54 »
We didn't get to use a knife in BMQ in St. Jean, had to cut string to tie hoochies with bic razors...actually kind of reminded me of the Cadet Leader Course where the same thing happened...only we were children then.

I used a marlin spike generally more than any knife (other than a kitchen knife) works better than using an old fork for untying knots

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The standard issue sea knife looks like this but crappyer http://www.ragweedforge.com/bushcraft-signal.jpg

These blades are popular on board ship, even harder to find are the issued versions kicking around (issued knives have a stock code or some kind of number on it).
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Re: Carrying non military issue knives
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2012, 09:12:03 »
Actually one of the most useful knives I ever owned is like the Marlin Spike. It was ancient when my dad had it. It is a spike but one side has an edge ground into it. It is just a little pocket knife with most of the blade ground off. We used to call them bokers. I think my dad told me it was a really popular design at the turn of the century. Holds and edge better than many of the high tech looking crap that gets sold now. I think it was made in Solingen before any of us were born. It looks like it wouldn't be useful but if I'm not thinking self defense or needing to slice bread(MRE pb and j, yum) it is my most used and versatile knife .

I like an overthick, slightly oversized tactical folder. I like knives that feel like they have pry bar sturdyness. I tend to mistreat them like a red headed stepchild.
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