Author Topic: Sale of Canadian military uniforms on internet sparks investigation (Read 90065 times)

Another Recce Guy · « **on:** February 09, 2004, 05:51:00 »

In cse you‘re interested. Would be nice if all the serving guys got theirs before the stuff starts getting sold.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2223695114&category=25552

Lone Wolf AT · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2004, 08:38:00 »

Isn‘t that illegal?

Another Recce Guy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2004, 10:19:00 »

Hope it is, but do we have enough MPs to do something about it?

Dano · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2004, 10:49:00 »

I‘ll just tell you one thing.

I won‘t be the one buying it!

mattoigta · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2004, 11:07:00 »

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Originally posted by Another Recce Guy:
[qb] Hope it is, but do we have enough MPs to do something about it? [/qb]

the other times people have sold genuine cadpat off ebay they were charged

Just A Hick · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2004, 11:22:00 »

I saw a cadpat vest for sale b4, nato stocked.

Lone Wolf AT · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2004, 11:52:00 »

Who charged them and how did they find out?

Hert · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2004, 13:03:00 »

That could be the "fake" cadpat. It is manufactured from the roll ends of the real material, however, it does not have any of the "technology" that the issue clothing has.

http://www.wheelersonline.com/detail.asp?product_id=1010

Hopefully, for the seller and the buyer, it is no the genuine article.

Stu

Just A Hick · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2004, 13:40:00 »

fake Cadpat has different buttons and No velcrow for the canada flag or nametags. The Cadpat from wheelers are not CF usable, becuase different pockets, gotta sew on your name tags ETC.

What is for sale on Ebay is real.

Nerf herder · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2004, 14:23:00 »

I agree with Robert...they‘re the same as the ones in my closet.

Find him/her and charge ‘em.

Regards

-Skeletor- · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2004, 14:50:00 »

I‘ve seen tons of CADPAT for sale on ebay, you can get the new tactical vests, uniforms, helmet covers, helmets, etc if you look around.

Where are these people getting this stuff from though?

Nerf herder · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2004, 15:55:00 »

Probably a leak in the supply chain. Can‘t see it being a soldier who is actually responsable for his kit. At least not in that quantity.

Regards

Lone Wolf AT · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2004, 16:05:00 »

Def. supply side.

CFN. Orange · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2004, 16:52:00 »

its deffinatley a fake because the real ones are illegal to sell. and filtering throught the supply chain is extremly difficult and stupid

Lone Wolf AT · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2004, 16:58:00 »

The fabric to make them is not easy to aquire either.

Evan · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2004, 17:00:00 »

It is a fake, i have the ecaxt one in my closet right now. its based on the old olive fatigues but made in cadpat.

Lone Wolf AT · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2004, 17:03:00 »

How is it fake? It looks like the one I‘m wearing right now.

Nerf herder · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2004, 17:08:00 »

Ummm. no. They are not fake. At least the ones I saw on Ebay were‘nt.

As for the fabric...sold to only one company, and they are only bolt trimings.

As for the one‘s in your closet hawain light..those are out there too.

Regards

KeV · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2004, 20:24:00 »

They‘re probably fake since selling real CADPAT is illegal.

There are many places where you can buy fake CADPAT. Like this store:

http://www.sealsactiongear.com/

I wouldn‘t worry too much since the only way of getting real CADPAT is by someone who was in the CF.

Infantry Soldier · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2004, 21:17:00 »

Apparently a lot of surplus stores are under investigation by the MPs for selling real cadpat. I know it‘s illegal to sell it, but is it illegal to own it if you‘re a civvie? Some of my buddies are into the whole ‘army pants and combat boots‘ look, and are wondering if they‘ll get in sh!t if they get caught with the real stuff.

CFN. Orange · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2004, 22:32:00 »

The fake cadpat isn‘t based on the NANO pixle design surrounding a maple leaf

that is how you know if the cadpat is real. Cadpat is based around a maple leaf design and the MARPAT used by marines is based around there logo of the eagle on a globe. Its extremely hard to spot but thats how you tell.

Danny · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2004, 06:48:00 »

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Originally posted by CFL:
[qb] How is it fake? It looks like the one I‘m wearing right now. [/qb]

WTF?

GrahamD · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2004, 09:05:00 »

I‘m sure if those induviduals wearing real CADPAT on the street also happen to have any officers rank displayed on their "uniform" could easily be charged with impersonating an officer of the Canadian Armed Forces.

As for wearing genuine article CADPAT pants along with combat boots/docs and lets say, a bomber jacket, well I seriously doubt that they would ever face criminal charges in the matter. (unless of course they turned up stolen).
They could face some bad attitude by actual members of the Armed Forces who feel that they have not earned the right to wear bits and pieces of our soldiers uniforms.

portcullisguy · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2004, 09:53:00 »

I‘m throwing out a thought here, but I believe the CADPAT, like most of the rest of your issued kit, belongs to the Queen until such time as it is disposed of and declared surplus.

If it belongs to the Queen, then by definition, it doesn‘t belong to you, and you cannot sell it on eBay - because it‘s not yours to sell.

So, following this logic, if it IS sold, it becomes misappropriated ("stolen"). It is illegal to offer anything for sale that is stolen, and it is illegal to purchase anything that is stolen (whether or not you know it is). And, of course, it is illegal to possess anything that has been stolen, or that are proceeds from a crime (such as theft by conversion, fraud, etc).

This goes for any of the kit that has been issued, and that you have not actually purchased from the army.

If I go and sell my kevlar helmet, I would be in four shades of sh!t, because it‘s not mine to sell, and I have to give it back when I leave the army. And anyway, to make it worthwhile, I‘d need to get over $200 for it, because that‘s what the CF will charge me when I don‘t turn it back in.

Would a civilian be prosecuted? Probably not. Unless there is some larger sort of ring involved, the police just don‘t have the resources to devote to a few pairs of CADPAT getting sold on eBay. Then again, maybe the MP‘s _do_ have the time!

Nerf herder · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2004, 11:33:00 »

Yes civilians would and have been charged for possessing stolen kit by the crown.

Regards

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