Author Topic: Sale of Canadian military uniforms on internet sparks investigation (Read 90065 times)

a Sig Op · « **Reply #50 on:** April 11, 2004, 11:57:00 »

Likely in a pile...

Everything always ends up in a pile somewhere... the only known natural enemy of the pile is a hole...

recceguy · « **Reply #51 on:** April 11, 2004, 13:29:00 »

And the hole is usually the Base dump or Crown Assets

-Skeletor- · « **Reply #52 on:** April 11, 2004, 13:47:00 »

I saw on another form that the cadpat boonie is $17.63

willy · « **Reply #53 on:** April 11, 2004, 13:56:00 »

Well, I‘m not a bin rat, so I might be wrong. If your form is right, then I‘m certainly suffering from a serious case of foot in mouth disease. However, I definitely remember the $90ish figure because it was so ridiculously high. Someone go lose their field cap so that we can set this straight.

MJP · « **Reply #54 on:** April 11, 2004, 14:11:00 »

I had several soldiers awhile ago that lost their cadpat hats in a wind storm and they were charged the ninety dollars. We did a little digging and got the correct price from the base clothing IC and got the members reimbursed. The ninety dollar figure was a mistake in the supply pricing system. The 17 dollar figure is the correct price for the hat.

willy · « **Reply #55 on:** April 11, 2004, 14:18:00 »

Whatdya know. It did seem a bit high. Nonetheless, they do sometimes charge you more for gucci items.

recceguy · « **Reply #56 on:** April 11, 2004, 15:02:00 »

willy,
You‘re right. It‘s standard practice for attractive items. Eg: Binos in the system $500.00, from the manufactures web site $150.00, the retailer around the corner from the armouries wanted $185.00 (prices are general, this was a few years ago)

~RoKo~ · « **Reply #57 on:** April 11, 2004, 15:50:00 »

This thread peaked my interest, so I did a search on E-bay...

You can now buy your very own CADPAT bushcap, much like the one I have packed away in my webbing right now, for the low low price of $93CAN plus shipping! Or, you can avoid anyone outbidding you by paying the lump sum of $120 CAN.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2237605348&category=36071

No bids on it yet, though...

Hah, no way, for only $40 of your hard earned money, you can buy a fleece cadpat balaclava!

oohh, you can even buy the fabric itself..
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2237519711&category=36077

Hatchet Man · « **Reply #58 on:** April 11, 2004, 16:01:00 »

Well someone from Montreal (perhaps someone working at the supply depot there) is selling the real CADPAT shirt (they just put the candian flag on to the velcro name tape part) http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2236952973&category=36068

and someone from the states is selling real ones here http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2236968300&category=36077
and here http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2236968552&category=36077

jasonin20020 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 11, 2004, 16:30:00 »

i work at clothing stores and the cost of the bush cap is 88 dollars

MJP · « **Reply #60 on:** April 11, 2004, 17:35:00 »

Jason I would check again....your just listing off a price that you are given without doing any research. I have personlly been affected by the $90 bush cap(as have several of my soldiers). We questioned it and the price list that most clothing stores have it at is WRONG. Maybe you should use some initiative and staff it up to your chain that there is a mistake in the price list itself.

Lone Wolf AT · « **Reply #61 on:** April 11, 2004, 17:40:00 »

I can confirm MJP‘s comment about the price differnce.

Carcharodon Carcharias · « **Reply #62 on:** April 11, 2004, 18:48:00 »

Listen in... go to www.ebay.com and type in CADPAT. Sure there is alot of non-issue items, but there is everything from issue shirts to hats to rank slip ons too, all CADPAT.

you name it ebays‘s got it. I typed in m18 claymore and heaps of stuff came up. Tyr grenade or rpg7 too.

Its a weird world!

Cheers,

Wes

portcullisguy · « **Reply #63 on:** April 12, 2004, 01:27:00 »

But I think we all sorted out by now that, unless it has been disposed of by the Crown through the appropriate means (ie, declared surplus and sold to the public through the appropriate government agency), there is no legal ownership of CADPAT outside of the CF.

Just because it‘s on ebay or buddy‘s surplus store, doesn‘t mean it got there the right way.

If it were OD green combats we were talking about, then it would be different ... that‘s been around for years and we all know there‘s tons of it that has been sold off to the public as surplus stores. But CADPAT has only been around for a little while, and I am not convinced that the CF is ready to start shovelling it out as surplus just yet, since they can‘t even kit everyone out fully with it yet. I only got my CADPAT three weeks ago, and I‘ve been in 2 years.

Infanteer · « **Reply #64 on:** April 12, 2004, 02:58:00 »

MJP, I can substantiate your 17 dollar price as well. I was in your battalion when the RSM flipped because guys were chopping the bush cap brims down. My buddy had to buy one, and he payed under 20 bucks for the thing.

Tommy · « **Reply #65 on:** April 12, 2004, 03:20:00 »

one of the bin rats in my unit offered up this explination to me.

originaly when the new CADPAT bush caps came in the replacement cost was something like 90 bucks so people wouldnt sell them off to surplus stores, they have since droped in cost.

mind you this is not the word of god here. just what one Cpl said to me. mind you he‘s been a sup tech for about 13 years or more

jasonin20020 · « **Reply #66 on:** April 12, 2004, 05:16:00 »

MJP
if you know a bin rat ask to see a printout of your docs, in mims its R,CDB121A the prices are on the right hand side, or go thru the CGCM and it also tells you the price i believe, havent gotten really into the CGCM in a while thou, so dont quote me on it

kaspacanada · « **Reply #67 on:** April 13, 2004, 22:21:00 »

It doesn‘t surprise me to see that uniform on ebay. I was re-issued kit this year from stores in St. Jean because I had to hand in my kit from the reserves, quit the reserves, in order to re-enroll under ROTP. When I handed in my uniform, it was what we see in the first link posted on page one of this thread.

The uniform I have now, is different in the respect that the buttons that you see, are covered on the new versions of the uniform. Some bright person somewhere realized that the buttons heat up in the sunlight, and can be easily spotted using IR technology, thus defeating the purpose of all the expensive fabric treatments. So the new versions have covers for the buttons on the front and the pockets. My theory is that they are phasing the old CADPAT out as surplus.

As for mixing it up with the Marine uniforms, who cares...they‘re not ours, and the colours are distinctly different (uglier I might say, but whatever)

willy · « **Reply #68 on:** April 13, 2004, 22:29:00 »

1. They aren‘t phasing out anything. At least I hope they aren‘t, because it would be a pretty stupid thing to do at this point. CADPAT has yet to be issued to a number of units, and most bases have such a limited quantity in stock that returns or exchanges are severely curtailed at this time.

2. The "new" CADPAT with button covers was designed by and for the Air Force, because of their desire to limit the chances of having buttons come off and fly around on airfields, causing damage. It had nothing to do with buttons heating up. It‘s just a matter of luck whether you get the older version or the newer, and you‘re going to see uncovered buttons for a long time to come.

RMC_Cadet · « **Reply #69 on:** April 13, 2004, 22:30:00 »

I know of several civis with issued CADPAT Tac Vests and desert cadpat. How do I know it is issued? Well he even has the manual.

Hatchet Man · « **Reply #70 on:** April 13, 2004, 22:47:00 »

Any civi that has the new CADPAT tac vest is in possesion of stolen property no matter how he got (ebay, army friend, soldier.). The only exception would be someone who went to the manufacturer in Hamilton, and got it from them.

Carcharodon Carcharias · « **Reply #71 on:** April 14, 2004, 20:11:00 »

I think you are wrong Falcon, as the CADPAT stuff is here too with NSN and all.

For reasons unknown stuff ends up being sold off, sometimes new and never issued.

Cheers,

Wes

gryphon664 · « **Reply #72 on:** April 14, 2004, 20:44:00 »

And here i was thinking that they finally decided to give us sigs a break, and help us prevent from getting tangled in the Cam netting :p

kaspacanada · « **Reply #73 on:** April 15, 2004, 07:42:00 »

Willy, I have no idea really, and that wasn‘t what I was told by another officer. But then again, he didn‘t have anything to do with the designs and he may have just been speculating as well. Can you confirm what you say there or can anyone else confirm it? It‘s not that I don‘t believe you, I am interested in it for my own reasons.

willy · « **Reply #74 on:** April 15, 2004, 14:10:00 »

I can‘t find a link for it at the moment, but the button flap CADPAT was a part of the same Air Force program that developed the groundcrew jacket. For those who haven‘t seen this thing, it‘s a CADPAT goretex jacket that a lot of people think is the next generation rainjacket. It isn‘t. It was designed solely for Air Force use, and has a lot of things on it that you probably wouldn‘t want as an Army user, like reflective strips so that aircraft don‘t land on you or something. From what I understand, the Air Force and Army are now working together on such projects so as to develop commonly acceptable kit. That‘s why we are starting to get button flap combats now. It would be nice to think that we‘re getting them so as not to get caught in cam nets, like Sig Op said, but I don‘t think that‘s the case.

I also don‘t think it has anything to do with a heat signature coming off the buttons. Wouldn‘t that kind of signature be visible only at night? How are the buttons going to get hot at night, when there‘s no sun to warm them?

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