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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #175 on: December 06, 2010, 15:18:21 »
This C-A Suit has been rather quiet, anyone hear ANYTHING re any update?

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #176 on: December 20, 2010, 17:29:41 »
I usually don't post anything without a link to back me up, but This update comes from a Post on the Veterans Voice info forums
So I would believe the Post is 100% True and correct, I'll see if I can find the link but this is what was posted.

SUPREME COURT OF CANADA -- JUDGMENTS TO BE RENDERED IN APPEALS

OTTAWA, 2010-12-20. THE SUPREME COURT OF CANADA ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT JUDGMENTS IN THE FOLLOWING APPEALS WILL BE DELIVERED AT 9:45 A.M. EST ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 23, 2010.

FROM: SUPREME COURT OF CANADA (613) 995-4330

Dennis Manuge v. Her Majesty the Queen (F.C.) (33103)

Okay I found the Link Whew, hate posting with out a link for backup
JUDGMENTS TO BE RENDERED IN APPEALS

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #177 on: December 23, 2010, 11:35:06 »
Veterans' pension lawsuit OK'd by top court
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Quote [24]                          I would allow the appeal and reinstate the order of the Barnes J. certifying Mr. Manuge’s class action. 

So it's a Go.... And we're off to the Races again

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #178 on: December 24, 2010, 19:42:13 »
Way to go Dennis,,, (Congrats)
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #179 on: January 26, 2011, 15:33:48 »
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/supreme-court-backs-veterans-class-action-over-pension-clawbacks/article1848203/?cmpid=rss1

Supreme Court backs veterans’ class action over pension clawbacks
Mike Blanchfield
Ottawa— The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, Dec. 23, 2010 10:30AM EST
Last updated Thursday, Dec. 23, 2010 1:17PM EST
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Increase text size  The Supreme Court of Canada knocked down a legal roadblock on Thursday and paved the way for a class-action lawsuit over military veterans' pensions.

Military mechanic Dennis Manuge filed the suit on behalf of about 6,500 injured veterans and it was certified by the Federal Court. But that certification was later rejected by the Federal Court of Appeal.

The Supreme Court reinstated the original decision in one of six related rulings on a technical legal issue that has real-life implications for how lawsuits are allowed to move through the courts.

In Mr. Manuge's case and five others, seven justices of the court unanimously agreed that parties in the various court actions should not be forced to jump through procedural hoops in their quest for justice.

Mr. Manuge, of Porters Lake, N.S., was injured in 2002 at Canadian Forces Base Petawawa. The government later decided to take back $10,000 of his disability pension after he left the military. Mr. Manuge filed suit and got Federal Court approval for a class action.

But the government appealed and won a stay of proceedings. The Federal Court of Appeal rejected Mr. Manuge's class action, ruling he should have applied for “judicial review” of the pension clawback at the Federal Court, instead of opening a full-fledged lawsuit.

Wrong, said the Supreme Court.

“In my view, with respect, the discretion to grant a stay should not be exercised in this case,” Justice Rosalie Abella wrote on behalf of the Supreme Court.

Previously, an investigation by the military ombudsman found the clawback “profoundly unfair.”

New Democrat MP Peter Stoffer said the case never should have wound its way all the way up to the Supreme Court. He urged the government to sit down with the veterans and settle the matter.

“The choice is very clear,” said Mr. Stoffer, his party's veterans affairs critic. “You can spend millions and millions of dollars fighting this in the courts, or you can spend those millions dealing with the disabled veterans in a fair and reasonable manner.”

The government had no immediate comment.

The principle at play in Mr. Manuge's case was decided in one of the companion rulings that involved a $250-million lawsuit filed by TeleZone Inc., against Industry Canada.

The consortium of telephone companies accused the government of unfairly denying it a licence for wireless communication services.

The Ontario Superior Court of Justice allowed the legal action, saying it wasn't necessary for TeleZone to seek “judicial review” at the Federal Court. In this case, the Ontario Court of Appeal agreed, and so did the Supreme Court, which rejected the federal government's last appeal.

“This appeal is fundamentally about access to justice,” Justice Ian Binnie wrote on behalf of the court in the TeleZone ruling.

“People who claim to be injured by government action should have whatever redress the legal system permits through procedures that minimize unnecessary costs and complexity. The court's approach should be practical and pragmatic with that objective in mind.”

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #180 on: February 21, 2011, 13:43:40 »
BUMP.........is there anything new going on with the case?
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #181 on: March 16, 2011, 13:30:33 »
has any one heard whats up. government said they were going to take time and review there options. seems almost too quiet do we need to start something to get or name in the news again . especially if we are looking at an election coming soon.
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #182 on: March 16, 2011, 15:33:10 »
This was posted on VeteransVoice.info site a couple day's ago...

The original Federal Court justice who Certified [originally in 2008] our case as a class action has been re-appointed to the case.
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-463-07

 

COURT INDEX AND DOCKET 

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   RECORDED ENTRY (IES) FOR T-463-07 (Close) 

 Court Number : T-463-07

Style of Cause : DENNIS MANUGE v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN

Proceeding Category : Actions Nature : Others - Crown (v. Queen) [Actions]

Type of Action : Ordinary

 Doc Date Filed Office Recorded Entry Summary

- 2011-03-08 Halifax Letter from Defendant dated 08-MAR-2011 "As directed during the Case Management Conference with Mr. Justice Barnes of february 23, 2011, the Defendant respectfully submits the enclosed draft litigation schedule for the consideration of the Court and the Plaintiff." received on 08-MAR-2011

 - 2011-03-01 Ottawa Letter from Plaintiffs, Dennis Manuge and A. Gerard Buote dated 01-MAR-2011 enclosing minutes of their February 23, 2011 teleconference. received on 01-MAR-2011

- 2011-02-23 Ottawa Ottawa 23-FEB-2011 BEFORE The Honourable Mr. Justice Barnes Language: E Before the Court: Case Management Conference Result of Hearing: The plaintiff is to submit for filing minutes of this CMC; the next CMC is scheduled to proceed in person at Halifax on March 25, 2011 at 2:00 p.m. (Halifax time) with co-counsel for plaintiff, Mr. Branch to appear via teleconference from Vancouver held by way of Conference Call in chambers Counsel appearing in their respective offices in Halifax and Vancouver Duration per day: 23-FEB-2011 from 12:57 to 01:33 Courtroom : Judge's Chambers - Ottawa Court Registrar: Pauline Chartrand Total Duration: 36min Appearances: Daniel Wallace 902-444-8630 representing Plaintiffs: Dennis Manuge and A. Gerard Buote Ward K. Branch 604-654-2966 representing Plaintiffs: Dennis Manuge and A. Gerard Buote James M. Gunvaldsen-Klaassen, Susan Inglis, Lori Rasmussen 902-426-0020 representing Defendants: HMQ and AGC Comments: Heard together with T-296-09, T-889-08 and T-479-09; original minutes taken on T-463-07 Minutes of Hearing entered in Vol. 838 page(s) 295 - 299 Abstract of Hearing placed on file

- 2011-02-21 Ottawa Letter from Plaintiff dated 21-FEB-2011 Further to Court's request the parties propose the following agenda for the case management conference on Feb. 23/11 (scanned to Barnes, J.) received on 21-FEB-2011

- 2011-02-10 Ottawa Oral directions received from the presiding judge dated 10-FEB-2011 directing that "A case management meeting will take place via teleconference on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, at 2:00 p.m. Halifax time for a duration of 90 minutes. Parties may remain in their respective offices"; placed on file on 10-FEB-2011 Confirmed in writing to the party(ies)

36 2011-02-03 Ottawa Order dated 03-FEB-2011 rendered by Chief Justice Lutfy Matter considered without personal appearance The Court's decision is with regard to Letter from Plaintiff dated 11-JAN-2011 Result: It is ordered pursuant to Rule 383 that Justice Robert L. Barnes is assigned as Case Management Judge in place of Justice Russell W. Zinn. Filed on 03-FEB-2011 certified copies sent to parties Transmittal Letters placed on file. entered in J. & O. Book, volume 1113 page(s) 224 - 224 Interlocutory Decision

 

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #183 on: April 05, 2011, 08:30:54 »
...on a side note, Jack Layton of the NDP is promising to get rid of the sisip clawback in his campaing for PM...
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #184 on: April 13, 2011, 09:38:18 »
  If there's anyone out there who's used sisip LTD, could you send me a quick PM.  I'd like to ask a couple of questions about them and monies they deduct etc...
Thanks
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #185 on: April 16, 2011, 17:32:29 »
Yes, if you are under the "class", then if it is certified as a class action, and won, all in the class will benefit, unless they opt out of the lawsuit. I think the database they have created is more for their records, maybe to present in court, as further proof that this affects a great deal of disabled/ medically released veterans, not just Dennis Manuge, he only had the willingness to take it to court first. Contacting the layers doesn't mean you will be subpoenaed or anything, so it cannot hurt.  Those who do contact them will be notified via email of all important information from the lawyer, or it can usually be read shortly afterwards at veteransvoice.info, so it's up to you. 

Also I'm alot better off than some of the young privates that have been injured in Afghanistan, if they were severely injured and unable to return to work and relied on SISIP to give them money to live off, all that their ruined lives are worth is between $1861.00 and $2735.00 per month plus 2 % each year until 65. So a 20year old who went to Afghanistan , right after battle school, gets injured to the point where he can no longer work, and goes on SiISIP LTD, in 45 years, his monthly earning will go from a max of $1861.00 to $2996.00, just over the unofficial poverty line for a household. And while on SISIP LTD, he cannot seek any additional income other than employment, he cannot apply for CPP disability, because that would get deducted from his sisip cheque 100%, he cannot get any money from VAC, including extra money for dependants, other than the new disability awards, which aren't that big of an amount if you need to make it last all your life. So that 20 year old, injured while serving his country will possibly never own his own house, probably never know the feeling of purchasing a brand new car, never afford to give his children a decent Christmas, or take them to Disneyland, all because of SISIP and greedy uncaring bureaucrats. If we get this settlement, and SISIP stops clawing back our money, people will not get rich, like one guy thinks, and there is a big difference between getting rich and being financially comfortable.

.....And this, I believe, is what it's all about folks.  We need to get together and make this ridiculous crap stop!!  Good luck Mr. Manuge and every other injured person who is looking for our government to do the right thing.
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #186 on: April 16, 2011, 18:53:41 »
Don't believe what any politician says let alone Taliban Jack

...on a side note, Jack Layton of the NDP is promising to get rid of the sisip clawback in his campaing for PM...
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #187 on: April 19, 2011, 20:02:01 »
Leave No Vets Behind

Site dedicated to the class action suit

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #188 on: April 20, 2011, 11:20:45 »
.......I saw this on the site......"

The Government acknowledged this unfairness by removing this claw back for future veterans. However, veterans wounded before April 2006 continue to see their disability pension clawed back."

  I never heard about this.  Does this mean that, being injured in '09, I won't have my VAC money clawed back from SISIP?  That's huge, as it's been quite a distressor of mine.

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #189 on: November 16, 2011, 06:57:45 »
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After almost five years of legal wrangling, Dennis Manuge says he's relieved that Canada's disabled veterans are finally getting their day in court.

"How I feel about it is a little bit of relief and absolute faith in the justice system that we are going to begin to have our case (heard)," he said Tuesday.

Manuge, of Musquodoboit Harbour, N.S., is the representative plaintiff in a lawsuit against the federal government that alleges it is illegally clawing back the long-term disability insurance benefits of injured veterans.

The Federal Court in Halifax will begin hearing arguments Wednesday in the class action, which could potentially affect the benefits of as many as 6,000 injured veterans ....
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #190 on: November 16, 2011, 10:00:28 »
It is a step. The government will appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. A long way to go yet.
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #191 on: November 18, 2011, 12:13:41 »
It is a step. The government will appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. A long way to go yet.

The government lawyer was on TV last night and expressed concern that the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill - who else would be?

Besides - it was the government, elected by taxpayers, that sent us to weird and exotic places - we didn't go on our own.
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #192 on: November 18, 2011, 12:23:36 »
Of course the taxpayer will be "stuck" with the bill. A sound bite to attract attention.

The tax payer was stuck with the bill for Adscam, the gun registry, WWII .........
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #193 on: February 03, 2012, 17:27:39 »
This wheel of bureaucracy is moving very slowly.......


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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #194 on: February 03, 2012, 17:40:26 »
The government lawyer was on TV last night and expressed concern that the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill - who else would be?

Besides - it was the government, elected by taxpayers, that sent us to weird and exotic places - we didn't go on our own.

Yep. The same taxpayers voted in their representatives to send us all over the freakin world to do their killing/protecting...and now a lawyer has the gall to use "the tax payers" as a defense? I didn't ask to go anywhere...but stood ready to if the COUNTRY decided I should. The tax payers paid for each bullet I fired and each line of fire we had to place ourselves in. They also paid to bury the boys and girls who gave their all to the tax payers of a great country.

To have a person representing OUR government say this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.



This wheel of bureaucracy is moving very slowly.......


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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #195 on: February 05, 2012, 16:02:39 »
Taxpayers. . . I can't believe the obscene amounts of $s this government is spending fighting against it's own disabled Veterans and their families, feeding these bottom-feeding lawyers.

Yes, when we send our forces out to war, onto missions of risk for injuries, exposures-- we are automatically assume our duty to care for those who've been injured, disabled, and care of the families affected by that.

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #196 on: May 01, 2012, 11:41:24 »
The summary:
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A class proceeding was brought by the Plaintiff on behalf of approximately 4,500 former members of the Canadian Forces regarding the legality of the Defendant’s policy of reducing long-term disability (LTD) benefits payable to disabled Canadian Forces members under the Service Income Security Insurance Plan (SISIP) by the monthly amounts payable to those members under the Pension Act. Upon review, the Court concludes that the Defendant’s offset of Pension Act disability benefits from LTD income payable under SISIP is not contractually justified.
The full decision is attached.
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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #197 on: May 01, 2012, 12:00:35 »
So, in "Layman's Terms"  set aside the legal jargon , and if I'm reading this correctly, deducting a members "compensation" awarded him/her from the Pension Act is not to be considered as income under SISIP Act.?

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #198 on: May 01, 2012, 12:03:52 »
So, in "Layman's Terms"  set aside the legal jargon , and if I'm reading this correctly, deducting a members "compensation" awarded him/her from the Pension Act is not to be considered as income under SISIP Act.?

That's what it says:

THIS COURT ORDERS that the Defendant’s offset of Pension Act disability benefits
from the SISIP LTD income payable to the Plaintiff and to the other members of the Class is in
breach of Article 24(a)(iv) of the SISIP policy.


The government lost.  Good.

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Re: SISIP LTD Class Action
« Reply #199 on: May 01, 2012, 12:07:24 »
Question:

Will the government appeal this decision?

If it does, how long before the appeal is heard?
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