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Plastering the names of fallen heroes on a car and recreating a solemn procession with it sounds rather morbid to me.  If I were Next of Kin, I would want someone to ask my permission to use her name first in something like this (which I more than likely would not give!).

The unauthorised use of names and images on the website is pretty dodgy to me too.
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Afghandad aka Brian Wilkins

Sir, the fact you served in the "Stan" does not absolve you from the shameful conduct of your org in fact you should know better. Many of us have served all over the globe and do not flaunt it. The real hero in most cases is our spouses. In my case the love of my life parented and mentored my son, her step son (while I was away) a rather troublesome chap at the time who is about to become a Patricia. I went on the bridge for the first time, a short while ago and lost it crying my eyes out for that boy coming home. I couldn't help but thinking that was my boy. Sir be assured if you had the timerity to "post" my sons name up on that heap of iron I would do whatever it took to remove his name from that rolling tombstone you call a car. I presume it is in the shop now getting the 84th name put on. You guys don't clearly do not get it, this calling we are in (and I incl our spouses and family) is all about service before self. It is clear that did not rub off on you during your "tour' perhaps your head was stuck in the sand for six months as it is now.

I ask you how a free car for a year supports anyone but one. Now please do not say that this veh is used only for events. That would not be true as it is seen parked at a certain left leaning place of higher knowledge in Toronto, where someone you know works. BTW the staff at that institution find that car as distasteful as most of us. Why not come clean with that car pull it off the road and or better yet donate it to a MFRC and I will be the first to sing your praises.

I am sure at the heart of it you are a good and well meaning man, who like many has been romanced by the Red Fridays Foundation. Ask yourself this, where did all that cash go selling your wares over the past 2.5 years. In the awareness biz please........ who asked you in the first place to get into that biz. Why did they not stand up right away as a charity, you Sir already know the answer and if you don't search your heart  and or ask. There is something odd about a internet biz that goes to major shows and flogs T Shirts etc all cash for 2.5 years and has a donation SOT box that claims to have only made a few $100.00. That dog don't (do'nt) hunt my friend. Go figure there is this Sgt in a certain Armd unit in Oshawa that on his own hook, in the past year ,has raised some $15K in profit for the Trenton MFRC. He did this all by networking. I ask you all to be the judge particularly you "Afghandad".

There is a letter the Foundation aka business is floating that claims many things, one I find rather shocking and frankly insulting. You basically claim you wouldn't have asked for donations had you not got such bad press. Where have you been. You guys have been asking for donations since day one in 2006. Hmmm donations and foundation sounds like a charity but it isn't. I hear you guys are upset at the bad press you got duh Homer what did you expect. You take 83 names of souls near and dear to Canadians and claim that it is public domain. You do this without any permission nor respect for the NOK. You admit you are a business but ask for donations, at the same time you admit to have only donating $1K to CFPSA. You then diss CFPSA by saying that who knows where the money goes. Now I admit there have been times CFPSA has pis*ed me off (never got over the tour gift LOL). this org has done more in a second than your Foundation has done in 2.5 years. You then diss 2 of the finest girls I know, who by the way were given the CDS's and VCDS's medallion for their efforts with Red Fridays (you know the same CDS who's image you had on your donate now button, now that was rather userish, don't tell me public domain). Boys welcome to the big leagues the media pick up on articles even small ones that Pete Fisher wrote who BTW freelances for the Tor Sun. Surely even you guys can connect the dots. The media love guys like you and follow up. One small suggestion if you are going to do interviews keep the story straight and on msg, not staying straight has a way of getting you in trouble. BTW why does the founder of Red Fridays have a spokesperson. Seems odd that such a good and well meaning chap who's parents were liberated by the Cdns cannot speak with conviction about his org.

Finally ARMY VERN is quite right

The below quote is from the email response recd by S.Stewart from Brian Wilkens on behalf of the Red Fridays Foundation (quoted from earlier post here)

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The hundreds Brian has helped was in the form of shirts given for their fund raising,pins,advice and in one instance,a family he gave money to because when they wanted their son buried at home instead of in ottawa, our gov't gave them $10,000 and no military funeral,she asked Brian for help with expenses and he gave.

Should her name be published,would you want yours published? We did'nt register as a charity due to the fact that charities bylaw,cannot give cash to other charities.
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As a qualified CAO (Casualty Assisting O), I have serious doubts as to the validity of this statement made by him above.

I have no qualms with outright calling this statement by Brian Wilkens a "lie". It is the families wishes (the immediate designated primary NOK) that determine what/where/type of funeral that will occur, NOT the government and certainly NOT the CF. Period. And, his insinuations of anything different to that are waaaayyy off base and an insult.


I too am a CAO who sadly been at it since Sept 2006 and I say again "That dog don't hunt"




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Hello..I've spent the last week reading the comments and most of you people dragging these gentlemen through the dirt for having this rally on sat.31st.As someone who has been in afghanistan(civilian) I must ask..what have you complainers done yourselves to help.These guys decided to have a rally and ONE family complained about a name on the car,ONE.I understand that the parents were at the rally,and wanted the name left on.It must have been a very hard decision to leave it on for these guys,but they did.As far as not being a registered charity,they are telling the truth people,you can't give CASH,to another charity,(united way,if you care to check before mouthing off,is not a registered charity for the same reasons these guys aren't.Did anyone think to check before spreading more anger around for these guys?Ever been to a cenotaph?Theres names on it!!Why???So we don't ever forget the people who made the altimate sacrifice.Is it really that hard to see this car as the same thing,only something that can be brought to just about anywhere,any town too small for their own cenotaph ,so those people don't forget either.As far as raising funds for our veterans during this rally...So what,I consider it a waste to have hundreds of people gather and not do something like raising funds for any charity.Now come on you guys,these heroes on the side of the car,if asked today,knowing the kind of giving people they must have been,would I strongly believe,would have no problem with raising money for our vets,their friends that made it home after all are now vets.As for the ladies from petawawa,why is it that you figure if its not your rally,its not acceptable.I think its a shame you did'nt raise funds for a good cause when you had the chance.Just think about how nice it would have been to hand over a cheque to the childrens wish fund,or cancer society,in the memory of our fallen.What a gesture and heartfelt situation that would have been and the families would I imagine be happy that the memory of their loved ones lived on in a thank you letter from one of these choosen charites.You people writing back and forth putting down the efforts of Brian Muntz,Brian Wilkins,who by the way served in afghanistan as well as me,and Brandon Arnold,sickens me,and you need to look at what you are doing here.Possibly stopping some other citizen from doing another rally or something for the memory of our fallen because they don't want to be dragged through the dirt for their efforts.If you really believe you can do better,and know how to do it without having to learn along the way...then I suggest you get off your chairs and plan something...but be prepared,because if you don't do it 100% perfect, you are in for the worst name calling ,dirt in your face reaction you ever thought could happen.  You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

Let me begin to answer this by posting my bias' in this matter up front (as "transparency" would see anyone involved do just as the "Red Friday ladies" have done. It would seem to be the moral thing to do no? It's actually covered in the site guidelines that one should not try to pose here as a soldier if he isn't for example, or that those who are part of a business, or a contracting partner state so up front).

My Bias':

1) I am a soldier, I work for soldiers, and yet other soldiers still - work for me;
2) I have served on several international operational deployments;
3) I have lost several of my personal friends on deployments;
4) I am a CAO;
5) I have volunteered (after working hours) with the Charlottetown MFRC etc with organizing CFPSA/MFRC Red Friday Rally's, BINGOs, coffee breaks for family members of personnel deployed overseas, arranged for - and provided - emergency/respite childcare for soldiers' loved ones when required, arranged for assistance to family members, organized family support activities and peer support groups aimed at minimizing the stress experienced by soldiers' families while they are deployed --- which goes a long way in itself to reduce the stress upon the deployed soldier;
6) I have done up care parcels, received care parcels from families for furtherance, engaged the local community in "Support your Troops" activities such as educational awareness days where I have been asked to (and have) attend school gyms to explain to children in their terms what is going on in Afghanistan;
7) I have been asked to (and have) provided a briefing to the mother, fiance, and their co-workers of a deployed member because of the stress that was being caused within their workplace during certain periods of the current mission in Afghanistan in an attempt to alleviate the concerns that each of them were dealing with on a dialy basis. Many of those I spoke to that day remain amongst my great friends;
8 ) I have been involved in repatriation activites/funerals for some of our Fallen in both the organizational and "simple attender" role;
9) I have visited gravesites to obtain pictures for fellow soldiers who could not be present for the funeral of their comrade-in-arms, because they believed that that picture would bring them some solace and comfort in dealing with their grief (and, in some cases survivors guilt);
10) I visit cenotaphs each November 11th, and can actually be found in their vicintiy on many more dates of the year which I hold important to me personally - and while there, I have laid wreaths remembering my both own relatives lost overseas, or on behalf of my Unit in remembrance of all of our Fallen;
11) I volunteer with the Canadian Cancer Society, raising donations, helping to organize and participating in the Relay for Life - and actually will be particpating in this run as part of a Military team this coming Friday Night; and
12) I have served many times as a canvasser for the United Way, which despite your protestations otherwise, certainly is registered as a charitable entity with the Canada Revenue Agency (here's your sign: CRA Registered Canadian Charities). In this capacity, I have also answered donors questions about where/what their money would be going, and can even further redirect them and provide them with a specific charity's name/registration# (such as Scouts Canada / The Juvenile Diabetes Research Corporation etc) should they prefer that option. And, in each and every single case - I will then issue them with a receipt for the amount of their contribution for Income Tax purposes.

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I must ask..what have you complainers done yourselves to help.

I think I've answered. I think I've managed to cover all the things that you've accused me of "not being", so, with regards to this bit:

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You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

Absolutely not Afghandad; I am a very proud supporter of veterans organizations, soldiers, their familes, registered charities, and worthwhile causes.

I simply do not condone recommendations that someone donate their hard earned money towards an officially non-charitable entity whose books, records, and dealings are not "transparent". I'd rather see them put their money towards a bonified charitable cause.

The Red Friday Foundation, as of this date, still does not qualify in that regard. Like has been stated quite often in this forum already "their hearts may be in the right spots, but their execution is terrible". That fact remains.

PS -- note to all: I'm still waiting to hear a response from Mr Brian Wilkens to my email (that 'golanvern' one) sent to the Foundation on 30 May 2008.  ;)
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I have a t-shirt "all gave some,some gave all "it should be updated for the so-called foundation" and scum take".it is now clear the motivation is monetary not gratitude .the canadian public is BEiNG RIPPED-OFF by this cabal -$8 for a $4 magnet, $5 for a $2 window cling, they gotta be making a boat-load of money BUT if their costs /expenditures are "careless or sloppy" FOR SURE THEY ARE A NOT -FOR -PROFIT ORGANIZATION/CABAL !
I SURE HOPE mr muntz ISN'T USING THIS TO WRITE-OFF HIS MORTGAGE, INSURANCES,OR USING PEOPLE'S GIFTS AS THEY LIKE TO CALL YOUR DONATION AS HIS OWN TAX WRITE-OFFS
AND WHERE THE HELL IS REVENUE CANADA ON THIS OR DURHAM REGIONAL POLICE'S FRAUD SQUAD(AJAX BASED)-there is so much crap in the air there must have been a sh!t storm somewhere that started all this
AND WHERE THE HELL ARE DND'S LAWYERS-EARN YOUR RATS FOLKS(for those in JAG rats would be rations- you know what replaces fine dining)
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I have a t-shirt "all gave some,some gave all "it should be updated for the so-called foundation" and scum take".it is now clear the motivation is monetary not gratitude .the canadian public is BEiNG RIPPED-OFF by this cabal -$8 for a $4 magnet, $5 for a $2 window cling, they gotta be making a boat-load of money BUT if their costs /expenditures are "careless or sloppy" FOR SURE THEY ARE A NOT -FOR -PROFIT ORGANIZATION/CABAL !
I SURE HOPE mr muntz ISN'T USING THIS TO WRITE-OFF HIS MORTGAGE, INSURANCES,OR USING PEOPLE'S GIFTS AS THEY LIKE TO CALL YOUR DONATION AS HIS OWN TAX WRITE-OFFS
AND WHERE THE HELL IS REVENUE CANADA ON THIS OR DURHAM REGIONAL POLICE'S FRAUD SQUAD(AJAX BASED)-there is so much crap in the air there must have been a sh!t storm somewhere that started all this
AND WHERE THE HELL ARE DND'S LAWYERS-EARN YOUR RATS FOLKS(for those in JAG rats would be rations- you know what replaces fine dining)

johnnycanuk,

I'll take it that you're a wee bit irritated.

Although I must point out that the lack of a charitable organization number does not necessarily equate into fraudulant activity by this foundation.

That being said, it does, on it's website, advise that it is not a charitable organization. It may be hard to find and their Foundation's name may indeed be eerily similar to CFPSA/MFRC Red Friday activities which may tend to cause some confusion on the part of the general public. I'm not so sure that in and of itself warrants any kind of immediate action by any police force. If people believe that they are donating to a "charity", they must also bear some of the responsibility for their own actions in not reading the fine print.

It can't be said enough - it's your money ... verify where/whom you are giving it to ... it's yours, and, if you're not comfortable - find another place to give your donation to with whom you are comfortable. Common sense.

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I thought i was quite reserved actually
as someone who is" proud to serve " and has been 20+yrs ,has volunteered for a couple of hospital  drives and been a united way canvasser I have  only come away richer in spirit and pride.Proud of the fact we are a  different breed (no matter our roots)a compassionate nation on the whole and very determined possibly generous too a fault.
But most Canadians are quiet selfless people,eager  volunteers who still believe in 'the golden rule':how many times have you heard "no problem" "too glad to help", "my pleasure", "its the least I could do" or "no thanks,I just wish someone would do the same for me someday" or "we came to help because we know you would if the shoe were on the other foot" even the casual "ahhh no biggie"
Terry Fox and Ric Hansen were no biggies too,THEY WERE GIANTS on the world stage as examples of Canadian determination and selfless acts for the benefit of others and were ambassadors of awareness BUT i don't recall their business registration number!
I have been to many 'Volunteer Appreciation Lunches/Dinners 'over the years and it never fails to  amaze HOW MANY ORDINARY CANADIANS GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY  all walks of life ,colour and creed and what really whacks my mind is the level of envolvement and commitment of our youth,as they follow good examples of true giving(ones time and ones self) they also set the example.
As a first generation Canadian I cannot express my gratitude enough to my  departed parents and this country for the truly rich bounty unto which I was born ,the people the history the geography .
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First off, Johnnycanuck, why is your writing style so much like Afghan dad's

Second, Does the Red Friday Foundation pay the Brian and Brian act? That would explain a whole lot.

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First off, Johnnycanuck, why is your writing style so much like Afghan dad's

But totally different position.

If he is the same.. the IP's will show the truth and the Mod's would be/have been all over it.
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But totally different position.

If he is the same.. the IP's will show the truth and the Mod's would be/have been all over it.

His first post was, but his second post seems to have changed sides.

As for same IP, I'm sure there more then one computer in the office.

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As for same IP, I'm sure there more then one computer in the office.

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ouch !read between the lines it was more about what wasn't said -no mud slinging nothing derogatory just an unspoken comparison
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I can say without a doubt, that JohnnyCanuck is not afghan dad.
I met this gentlemen last weekend in the Durham region while he was out supporting our troops at an event put on by the town of Bowmanville.

If I thought otherwise, I would be the first to say so.
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To answer the question on do Brian and Brain get paid,  they state no. However as a business those expenses sure can add up. Zero optics on this for 2.5 years.......
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ouch !read between the lines it was more about what wasn't said -no mud slinging nothing derogatory just an unspoken comparison

I understood your response.

I should have put a smilie at the end of my ... "So I'll take it you're frustrated eh?"  >:D
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First off, Johnnycanuck, why is your writing style so much like Afghan dad's

Well I'm a big enough donkey to say I'm sorry.  I just found it funny how a new name would show up right after the big discussion about afghan dad, and he would use the same writing style.  No spaces between punctuation and can keep story line straight.  But that must be me reading to much into things.

Again,  :crybaby: I'm sorry  :crybaby:

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Good info on donating to charities.

Generous but smart - Ask questions about charities

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There have been a number of terrible disasters around the world recently and it is only natural for caring Canadians to want to donate money to help with the recovery efforts.

In fact, Canadians are a very giving people. According to the most recent statistics from the Canadian Survey of Giving, Participating and Volunteering over 85% of Canadians over 15 years of age made a charitable donation in 2004. These donations equalled almost $9 billion and averaged $400 per donation.

Charitable donations can go a long way to help an organization meet its not-for-profit goals, but just like any other cash outlay, you need to do your homework before you hand over your hard-earned cash.

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harley sailor ..no prob bud "crusty luddites and keyboards are a bad mix" but i get by somehow lol
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Folks the following is out of the Scugog Standard 30 May 2008 by the editor Rik Davies

I'm seeing red on this one!

When one sees the repatriation ceremonies at Trenton air base it is hard not to want to rush forward and help in any way possible. When we watch the metal caskets of the Canadian war dead pass the grieving eyes of their loved ones and see the stoic faces of those watching from bridges on the 401 you just want to do something.

Two women near Petawawa with close ties to those who serve began Red Fridays. It was a simple plan asking those who support our troops to wear red each Friday as a show of their support.

So Lisa Millar and Karen Boire were more than surprised when they discovered that a fellow from Ajax, Ontario, had registered the Red Fridays Foundation. It appears, from its web site, to be a not-for-profit business that sells 'support the troops' paraphernalia and is behind a May 31 memorial drive that will see 83 red vehicles (one for each of the soldiers lost in Afghanistan) drive to Toronto on the 401 Highway of Heroes where a fundraising event will be held. Now let me be clear on this. Not-for-profit businesses that raise funds for charitable causes are legal under Canadian law but.... Isn't there always a but? The Red Fridays Foundation appears so far to have donated only $1,000 to the Canadian Forces Personal Support Agency and, according to Department of National Defence spokespeople, the DND is in no hurry to be affiliated with this group.

When several members of the media from Toronto to Trenton began working this story some things sort of jumped out at the reporters involved.

* The Red Fridays Foundation takes some of the funds donated to cover internal costs and expenses.

* If you truly want to support our troops and assist our wounded men and their families you only need look up The Wounded Warriors on the Internet or drop in to your local Legion chapter and be assured that every single penny you drop will fall directly into the hands of the people who need it.

* Groups like the Trenton Military Family Resource Centre are taking exception to the Red Fridays Foundation and if you intend to support such groups you are well within your rights to ask to see the books to assure yourself you are doing the right thing.

The issue to those who are concerned is whether the Red Fridays Foundation is commercially exploiting the deaths of good Canadians. If any element of the money received by it is going to someone's personal benefit directly or indirectly, it is doing something despicable in the eyes of those who honour the fallen and maybe in your eyes as well. And so, inquire as to what monies the Red Fridays Foundation deducts from what it might get from you as a donation before it gives it to where you thought it should go. Then you can decide for yourself if the foundation is conferring any advantage on anyone who doesn't deserve it in your eyes. Don't assume anything.

We must always honour these great Canadians who have given their lives so that we can have a stronger and better future. We must never let anyone cash in on the pain of their loss.

The last mention of this by me is of a purely personal nature. This foundation has a vehicle donated by a car dealership that has the names of our war dead plastered across the side of it like a rolling tombstone.

My surname is carved into the side of the Vimy Memorial. Were that name to appear on the side of a car in the way presented above I believe I would do whatever possible to remove it.

See you in Clarington on Saturday!

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Read below thread more evidence of half truths and  deliberate misinformation.

"Event organizer Brian Muntz has said he will remove names from the car if families request it".

Yeh they sure kept their word when it came to Kerry Arnold NOT!!!!!!!

Time that car was taken off the road. These chaps that are the Red Fridays Foundation have no honour and certainly zero courage. BTW Red Fridays Foundation as a troop you claim to support I will take a pass, your support is not welcome nor asked for. I have no doubt that these jackals will soon announce  handing over a cheque to the Cdn Hearing Society guess what it is only because their feet are being held to the fire. What  about the 2.5 years of sales and cash business?


Local organizers defend Red Fridays Rally

Huge highway procession, ceremony to honour troops goes Saturday
Wed May 28, 2008

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DURHAM -- A massive event to commemorate Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan is scheduled to hit the streets this Saturday but organizers aren't getting the kind of publicity they had hoped for.
Brian Wilkins, the Durham Region spokesman for the Red Fridays Foundation, has been fielding calls and speaking on GTA radio stations this week, trying to combat negative allegations about the Red Fridays Rally.

The event will see hundreds of cars travel the Highway of Heroes from Trenton to Toronto, ending with a ceremony at Downsview Park.

The procession will include 83 red vehicles, one for every soldier who has died in Afghanistan, and will be led by a donated Dodge Magnum rally car painted with the name of each fallen soldier.

At issue are complaints from the original founders of the Red Fridays movement -- which encourages Canadians to wear red on Fridays as a show of support for the troops -- who say the rally organizers didn't have permission to put the names of the soldiers on the lead car and that the Red Fridays Foundation is not a registered charity.

Mr. Wilkins said the concerns stem from misunderstandings and is distraught by widespread media coverage questioning the motives of the event.

"It's discouraging. We just wanted to do something to show our troops we're behind them," said Mr. Wilkins, an Oshawa resident who spent six months driving a fuel truck on the Canadian Forces base in Kandahar.

He said the names of the fallen soldiers on the car are not intended to be an advertisement, partisan political statement or anything other than a simple tribute done with the best of intentions.

Regardless, reports in the Toronto media have quoted relatives of fallen soldiers saying they want nothing to do with the rally, and want their loved ones names taken off the car.

Event organizer Brian Muntz has said he will remove names from the car if families request it.

On the topic of fundraising, Mr. Wilkins confirmed the Red Fridays Foundation is not a registered charity -- a fact that is published on the Red Fridays website.

He said this was done intentionally because Canadian law precludes registered charities from donating to other registered charities.

The foundation plans to donate proceeds from Saturday's rally to four charities: the Canadian Hearing Society (which supplies vets with TTY phones), Friends of Veterans Canada, Tony Stacey Centre for Veterans Care and the Troop Morale Fund sponsored by the Royal Canadian Legion.

"We are a non-profit group, we aren't making any money from this at all," Mr. Wilkins said.

He encouraged people who are uncomfortable donating to the foundation to donate directly to one of the above listed charities or to simply attend the rally without making a donation or collecting pledges.

"The main goal of this is just to show support for our soldiers over there, to have lots of people come out and take that message to Afghanistan," he said.

So far, Mr. Wilkins said the foundation has raised about $11,000 and has spent $7,500 on costs for the rally, like lighting, a stage and gas for the lead car.

Bowmanville resident Paul Caswell doesn't see any problem with the event.

In fact, the father of local fallen soldier Darryl Caswell will be driving one of the 83 red cars at the front of the procession.

"I don't have any concerns at all, I think this is a great thing," he said.

The rally starts at noon on May 31 at Centennial Park in Trenton. The main procession will be released from the park at 3 p.m. and travel to Downsview Park in Toronto, where a ceremony will be held. OPP, local police and Canadian Army Veteran Riders will escort the procession along the route.

For more information or to register visit www.redfridays.ca.
"A competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops, while on the contrary an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops"
Gen John "Black Jack" Pershing 1931

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The last mention of this by me is of a purely personal nature. This foundation has a vehicle donated by a car dealership that has the names of our war dead plastered across the side of it like a rolling tombstone.

My surname is carved into the side of the Vimy Memorial. Were that name to appear on the side of a car in the way presented above I believe I would do whatever possible to remove it.


I participated last week as one of the 83 drivers. I intentionally did not take any pictures of the Red Fridays car. For me it was a matter of respect after reading about what some of the members of this Forum felt about it and had written. I also have asked my Father about inquiring and any use of my Grandfather's name in the past when we were trying to find out exactly what had happened to him in Dec of 44. Again, it was a matter of respect, and not wanting to do anything against the wishes of my Dad.
Everyone grieves differently. When I lost my Mother 4 years ago, I really did not want to see pictures or her name for a time after the funeral. It's just the way I handled it, and I didn't need any reminders of how I was feeling about her being gone, so I totally understand why someone would not want the name of their loved one on anything that they were not comfortable with or support.
I don't know anything more today about Red Fridays than I did last Sat, all I know is I participated for my own reasons, and I wish I could have been outside of CFB Trenton this afternoon to pay my respects to Capt Leary & his family. RIP  :salute:

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This is really quite a shell game now the founder states they are in the process of registering as a not-for-profit-organization. Now i am confused they have clearly stated they are a non-for-profit-organization on their web site and quoted by several media sources. What is the truth I wonder????

"However, Muntz' company is not a registered charity although he is now in the process of registering as a not-for-profit organization'.

Again i am confused these folks have been in the T Shirt business since day one, at times it is hard to keep your eye on the ball. Given that they were not giving any product away and the prices they charge (all cash business I might add) what else did you intend to do but raise funds. The question that begs to be asked is where is all that cash?

"He told CTV Toronto he didn't register as a charity in the first place because he never intended to raise funds".


Controversy haunts red rally campaign for troops
Updated: Sun Jun. 01 2008 9:49:02 PM

ctvtoronto.ca

The Red Rally parade in support of Canadian troops was a success Saturday but the controversy surrounding the event left some people feeling uneasy.

Karen Boire and Lisa Miller, of Petawawa, Ont., were involved in the Red Fridays Campaign in 2006 and took part in a similar event in Ottawa last year.

Their goal was to help organize events that would show how much Canadians appreciate and support the country's troops.

Their events haven't needed donations but the private company behind this year's rally has been accepting donations.

"Our first priority was to gain support solely for our Canadian Forces members and their families by wearing red on Fridays," Boire said in a telephone interview from home with CTV Toronto. "It was never about money."

Brian Muntz, the owner of Red Fridays Foundation of Canada, said the only reason he's accepting donations is because people keep asking if they can donate.

He said the only reason he set up his company was to provide rally organizers across Canada with a way to communicate with each other and coordinate each others' events.

"I started accepting some donations and started building up ways to help out and checked out if there are other places I can make donations to," he said.

However, Muntz' company is not a registered charity although he is now in the process of registering as a not-for-profit organization.

He told CTV Toronto he didn't register as a charity in the first place because he never intended to raise funds.

"Maybe it could have been done differently," he said. "Maybe it would have been better as a charity."

With a report from CTV Toronto's Galit Solomon

   
"A competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops, while on the contrary an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops"
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my gran(aunts & mother) wasn't monetarily re-imbursed  for knitting socks and mittens and balaclavas for 'the boys'
my mother recieved no stipend for counting livestock being put to pasture before school and then counting a different  field coming out of the field after school(rustlers and black marketeers-so making money of the sacrifice of others is nothing new)
paper drives bottle drives scrap metal drives were manned by volunteers young and old
people weren't paid and didn't ask to be for putting together care packages or performing at local bond drives
THEY GAVE THEIR TIME AND WHATEVER ELSE THEY COULD BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS THEIR CIVIC DUTY...another time you say,
WELL, Sat Mat 31 at the Clarington Red Rally on VOLUNTEER'S ROW several organization and service groups  and individuals were present from high school students to senior citizens all giving their time to promote the welfare of OUR TROOPS ie.The Rose of Durham who have sent  over !0,000 coffees (certificates) to OUR BOYS &GIRLS, Mrs Cushman,mother of Tpr Caswell;God Bless,has sent over enough flavour crystals to spice up over 350,000 litres of what the Engineers try to pass off as water.
Several serving members, Afghan Vets  gave up their day off  to come out to support those who support them.
When asked why do I volunteer for my MFRC I tell people ITS THE LEAST I CAN DO BEING STUCK HERE IN CANADA INSTEAD OF KHANDAHAR...and their little hamster takes off at warp speed..hhmm "never looked at it that way"
WHATS MY PAYOFF usually the smile on the faces of the public SHOWING THEIR PRIDE IN MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND KNOWING THEIR HARD EARNED DOLLARS ARE GOING TO A LEGITIMATE RESOURCE BENIFITTING THOSE INTENDED
it might be none of my business and maybe i shouldn't be sticking my nose in somebody elses business but somebody elses BUSINESS  shouldn't be  IN BUSINESS supporting my brothers and sisters !LIKE OUR SERVICE  it should be of their own free will, for personal fullfillment  and satisfaction not for personal gain or profit
ps i hope my prose and punctuation are up to standard...always seeking continual improvement
pps for those who have trouble assessing my fall of shot... intended tgt...RFFC
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