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Medal and Awards Research
« on: March 19, 2007, 09:46:48 »
Hi All, we are looking for a photo of the medal(s) we will be issued in CM for MSS.
I know it's the SWASM and some (KAF) get the campaign star.
Any help,
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Re: SWASM
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 09:57:56 »
Thanks GW, I DID search for this on the site but got no joy.
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 11:39:24 »
DIN address: http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dhh/honours_awards/chart/engraph/chart_display_e.asp?cat=3&ref=SWASM&submit1=Go

Any clerk should of been able to answer this in less then 4 seconds.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 11:55:45 »
DIN address: http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dhh/honours_awards/chart/engraph/chart_display_e.asp?cat=3&ref=SWASM&submit1=Go

Any clerk should of been able to answer this in less then 4 seconds.

Ok, so I was slow in answering. If this was a time test, I would have had it nailed.  ;D
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 12:32:34 »
Done, done and answered. Thanks all.
I resubmitted, got a reply of "a submission has already been made with that name".
Then where the heck is my medal??     :rage:
Waiting and waiting is not my forte.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 12:46:16 »
Done, done and answered. Thanks all.
I resubmitted, got a reply of "a submission has already been made with that name".
Then where the heck is my medal??     :rage:
Waiting and waiting is not my forte.

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I dislike seeing things like this pop up but on occasion mistakes are made both on our part at DH&R (Department of Honours and Recognition) and more often at the members unit.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 13:08:18 »
I resubmitted, got a reply of "a submission has already been made with that name".
Then where the heck is my medal??     :rage:
Waiting and waiting is not my forte.
In either case it is far more then likely that it was ordered through an OR (either Theatre or your Unit), and they would be in measure of tracking it down.

It could even be sitting in some Cheif's office waiting for the next unit parade :P

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 14:40:21 »
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It  could even be sitting probably is in some Cheif's office waiting for the next unit parade :P

Just a guess - based on past experience.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2007, 15:18:08 »
In either case it is far more then likely that it was ordered through an OR (either Theatre or your Unit), and they would be in measure of tracking it down.

It could even be sitting in some Cheif's office waiting for the next unit parade :P

I think that byt dvr is talking about the Kuwaiti medal that he can receive but is not permitted to wear (cause the Cdn gov't has already issued one award for this operation).

Isn,t he supposed to apply directly to the Kuwaiti embassy in Ottawa?
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2007, 15:24:40 »
Yes, I am.
Thanks for adding the clarification geo.
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And just to clarify even more.  I and my co-worker were looking for the SWASM.  I am still looking for my LKM on another thread.
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2007, 15:25:10 »
Isn,t he supposed to apply directly to the Kuwaiti embassy in Ottawa?
In that case yes.

DIN Link:http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dhh/honours_awards/instructions/engraph/lib_kuwait_instr_e.asp?cat=3
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The Embassy of the State of Kuwait has put in place a self-identification program whereby qualified recipients can apply for their medal. In an effort to assist with the process for serving members of the CF, qualified recipients are asked to provide DHH 4 with some basic information, which will be passed on to the Embassy. The medal will be sent directly from the Embassy to the address provided by the member.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2007, 15:31:37 »
In that case yes.

DIN Link:http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dhh/honours_awards/instructions/engraph/lib_kuwait_instr_e.asp?cat=3
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2007, 15:49:28 »
Just a guess - based on past experience.

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And a pretty good guess at that Roy.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 08:38:18 »
Hi All, we are looking for a photo of the medal(s) we will be issued in CM for MSS.
I know it's the SWASM and some (KAF) get the campaign star.
Any help,
Cheers,
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Okay, what is CM and MSS?
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2007, 17:31:40 »
Hey i am in search of information on the process of selling or donating WW2 army medals and pictures for my friends mother who would like to see the medals not lost after her father died any information would be greatly appreciated thank you

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2007, 08:36:51 »
Hmmm....
Medals are not / should not be sold at auction.

You might inquire about donating them to a military museum OR a local reserve unit's historical collection.  While they usually won't pay cash, they can provide a tax receipt based on some valuation.

Some of the local Legion branches might be able to point you in the right direction....
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2007, 09:57:58 »
Medals are personal property and while I agree 100% with Geo that they should not be sold or auctioned there is no law in this country preventing it. 

A museum will probably accept the donation and a good collector will probably pay for them as well as keep a record of the medals provenance (history), the choice is up to the owner.  My personal feeling is that family is best. 

Make sure that your friends mother knows that she can give them to any member of the family it does not have to be the first born son or anything.  We had a WW2/post WW2 rack returned to DHH by a woman who claimed that she was returning them because she and her late husband had no son's and therefore no-one to pass them along to.  What a shame, they now sit in our vault and collect dust, almost forgotten. :(
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2007, 10:04:18 »
We had a WW2/post WW2 rack returned to DHH by a woman who claimed that she was returning them because she and her late husband had no son's and therefore no-one to pass them along to.  What a shame, they now sit in our vault and collect dust, almost forgotten. :(
If you have the individual's pedigree, the medals & the soldier's history should be sent back to his unit for addition to their historical collection.
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2007, 22:45:22 »
I'm sorry to all veterans if it seems like we are trying to get money shes wants her father remembered and she is more consered about honoring her father and making sure he is remembered than making money on it umm I'm living in Halifax if anyone can give me info on where we can donate them and the history of her father please help she has no intrest in selling them to anyone she just wants to make sure  that what her father did in WW2 wont be forgotten
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2007, 22:56:35 »
If you could tell us who he served with, then someone will probably be able to provide contact information for the applicable service, branch, corps or regimental museum.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2007, 23:14:07 »
Hmmm....
Medals are not / should not be sold at auction.

You might inquire about donating them to a military museum OR a local reserve unit's historical collection.  While they usually won't pay cash, they can provide a tax receipt based on some valuation.

Some of the local Legion branches might be able to point you in the right direction....

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You deny the collector, who truly would honour these items, the right to do so.

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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2007, 10:45:07 »
Tess,

While I concurr with you that some private collectors being brought into the formula sounds good ... we end up with the situation where some of the medals of major military personas have left the country - gone for good so to speak... and that is a travesty in itself.... isn't it?
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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2007, 11:00:28 »
Tess,

While I concurr with you that some private collectors being brought into the formula sounds good ... we end up with the situation where some of the medals of major military personas have left the country - gone for good so to speak... and that is a travesty in itself.... isn't it?

And some medals also come back to the country through the actions of individual collectors.  Those medals which did leave the country did so only because those who could have prevented it for the reasons you might ascribe to be proper, failed to do so at the time.  How or why this happened in individual cases might vary, but an underlying cause is most likely the lack of our society's appreciation for historical artifacts at a widely understood individual level.  Without such a sense of social responsibility, medals go to the collector's market, to collectors who preserve and treasure that which a family no longer cares enough for to preserve, or to ensure its preservation in a museum or other institution.   As mentioned, collectors also preserve the memory of servicemen whose legacy might otherwise be a set of medals collecting dust in a storeroom, never to see the light of day again. 

There may be a travesty occuring, but it has not been wrought by the collectors.  And the greater travesty which has been avoided is the discarding of medals without "value" to uncaring descendants if collectors were prevented from acquiring them.

I would suggest that any objective analysis would show that it's too late to try and enact laws to outlaw their sale.  No doubt such a political manoeuvre would be as effective as the gun registry, and with even less social imperative to try and enforce it.


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Re: Medal and Awards Research
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2007, 11:15:25 »
Being so far from the last major conflict, you are probably correct that it is to late to do anything about it BUT
given that we are presently nominating many soldiers for medals of valour & gallantry, it might be time to at least talk about it....

But again - it's one's opinion -  I care for my grand dad's decorations -  and have a standing offer from the museum of the R22R to add them to their historical collection.
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