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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #526 on: January 14, 2011, 11:36:23 »
And now for something completely different....

Vancouver hospice scrapped over ‘cultural sensitivity’

Plans for a hospice on the University of British Columbia campus have been put on hold after some neighbourhood residents said the proposed facility offended their cultural sensitivities around death and dying.

“It’s not going forward to the board at the February meeting [of the UBC board of governors],” UBC campus and community planning director Joe Stott said on Thursday. “There are a variety of claims against the project and we want to systematically go through them.”

Plans for the hospice – a joint venture between the Order of St. John, UBC’s Faculty of Medicine and the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority – call for a two-level, 15-bed hospice that would add end-of-life care to the emerging community mix on the UBC campus and fill a gap in hospice services on the city’s west side.

But to Janet Fan and many of her neighbours, the hospice would put death at their doorstep – a possibility she said would flout longstanding Asian cultural taboos around death and dying.

“It is all about cultural sensitivity,” said Ms. Fan, a Chinese-born immigrant who lives in a high-rise near the proposed hospice site. “We came here as new immigrants with our own belief system. And in our beliefs, it is impossible for us to have dying people in our backyard.”

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This same, misplaced, cultural sensitivity stopped the construction of a funeral home, on a properly zoned piece of property, in Ottawa a few years ago.

I understand the Asian sensitivity towards death; it is an old, old and deeply ingrained superstition. But that's all it is: a superstition and, to paraphrase what was said above, the Chinese are not in China any more.
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #527 on: January 14, 2011, 12:09:02 »
Those are the people we need to keep happy. People that cant give dying people a place to rest easy.

As long as they dont roll th guerneys through my yard I wouldnt think its any of my business.

I fully agree. How narrow minded, and they could roll the guerney through my yard.

If I was to complain they'd tell me to pound salt, white boy!!
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #528 on: January 14, 2011, 14:03:12 »
....they'd tell me to pound salt, white boy!!
Or.....play that funky music....


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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #529 on: January 14, 2011, 14:08:19 »
Or.....play that funky music....


...white boy  ;D

You now owe me a keyboard AND a monitor!! ;D
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #530 on: January 14, 2011, 16:55:28 »

You know....you'd be hard pressed to find someone who LIKES dead people being around their house. It must be convenient to have beliefs like that.....
Posted again...thats six in six.

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #531 on: January 14, 2011, 17:14:40 »
You know....you'd be hard pressed to find someone who LIKES dead people being around their house. It must be convenient to have beliefs like that.....


I have a sneaking hunch you're right; a funeral home might lower property values, about which most people are more than just superstition.
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #532 on: January 14, 2011, 17:15:47 »
Nobody likes dead people hanging around but don't zombies have rights too?
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #533 on: January 14, 2011, 17:18:19 »
Nobody likes dead people hanging around but don't zombies have rights too?

The rights of a zombies teeth end where the rights of my juicy brains begin.
Posted again...thats six in six.

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #534 on: January 14, 2011, 19:13:42 »
Zombies??  Where.....let me at em!! :rage:
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #535 on: January 17, 2011, 01:14:54 »
I would say, being Chinese myself, that these concerns of Ms Lam's are overstated.  I've never actually come accross these so called cultural sensitivities that they speak about. 

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #536 on: January 17, 2011, 20:36:40 »
I would say, being Chinese myself, that these concerns of Ms Lam's are overstated.  I've never actually come accross these so called cultural sensitivities that they speak about. 

Mark Steyn wrote something abut that in "America Alone". Back in the bad old days of colonialism and privilage, people actually knew something about other cultures. If there was a mosque around, the questions being asked were "is this a Sunni or a Shiite mosque?" not "Will they be offended if we do 'x'?". Multiculturalsm has replaced rigour and factual knowledge of other cultures with a warm and fuzzy feeling that "well, they are really all the same..."

This is just a paraphrase of course (read the book), but since our "credentialed not educated" ruling and chattering class don't feel the need to actually investigate these things, it is easy for predatory people to take advantage of them (and by extension, us).
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« Reply #537 on: January 21, 2011, 19:20:37 »
Remember this?
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,64454.msg1008713.html#msg1008713

This, from the CRTC:
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The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission today wrote to the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC) asking it to review its determination that the unedited version of the song “Money for Nothing” by Dire Straits was inappropriate for Canadian radio. On January 12, 2011, the CBSC’s Atlantic Regional Panel found that the use of a derogatory word in the song breached broadcast codes.

The CBSC’s decision has elicited a strong public reaction and created uncertainty for private radio stations across the country. The Commission has received over 250 letters from Canadians, most of which questioned the decision. These letters have been forwarded to the CBSC.

Given the exceptional nature of this situation, the Commission has asked the CBSC to appoint a panel with a national composition to review the complaints regarding the Dire Straits’ song as well as its original decision.

The Commission expects that the council will seek further comments from the public on the matter. Furthermore, the CBSC should take into consideration all relevant factors, including:

    * the context of the particular wording in the song’s theme and intended message
    * the age and origin of the song and the performance date
    * the prominence of the contested word and the use of that word over time, and
    * the length of time and frequency that it has been playing on the radio.
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #538 on: January 21, 2011, 19:36:38 »
Did Hell just freeze over?  Someone finally using some common sense.
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #539 on: January 21, 2011, 21:34:42 »
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the Commission has asked the CBSC to appoint a panel with a national composition to review the complaints regarding the Dire Straits’ song
Did Hell just freeze over?  Someone finally using some common sense.
Whoa, not so fast George.

In true Canadian style, they're not using common sense, they're "appointing a panel."

With "national composition" mandated, you know that every whack-job out there will be 'justified' in being on the committee.  :nod:
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #540 on: February 07, 2011, 07:15:16 »
Rex Murphy: Human rights meets their match: The microwave oven
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/02/05/rex-murphy-human-rights-meets-its-match-the-microwave-oven/
Rex Murphy  February 5, 2011 – 8:08 am

Thank God for the Ontario Superior Court. Or, if you’re a Dawkins man, thank Providence, or Fate, or whatever benign anonymous forces silently preserve the common sense of things. For the Ontario Superior Court, in overruling a recent decision of an Ontario Human Rights tribunal, struck an awesome blow for decency.

The case, according to the tribunal’s overseer, represented discrimination on “the basis of an intersection of … race, ancestry, ethnic origin and place of origin” — which, judging from all the clutter than emerges from it, must be a very busy junction indeed. More prosaically, it involved a newly hired blind, Muslim woman who took her employer — a small, federally-supported business for assisting new immigrants — to court after she had been fired only six weeks into her job.

Arguments over proper office attire were part of the dispute. But by far the most gripping contention centred on how to warm up an entrée: According to the complainant, her employer raised a fuss about the foul-smelling food she cooked in the office microwave. How far we’ve travelled. It’s an interesting moment we’ve reached when the high and noble Enlightenment ideals of human rights and liberty are thrown into fraught juxtaposition with the use and operation of a kitchen appliance.

Until I read the tribunal’s judgment, I never fully appreciated how deeply the commonplace microwave oven could “intersect” with the grand operation of basic human rights. Burke, Wendell Holmes, Solzhenitsyn, America’s founding fathers, even the ancient Greeks: All were silent on the microwave oven. It is the singular gully in the otherwise soaring uplands of Western political speculation.

Fortunately, the tribunal sorted it all out. They found, as they almost always do, for the complainant (Seema Saadi), and against her employer (Maxcine Telfer). “Nothing in the evidence suggests that the respondents deliberately targeted the applicant for discriminatory enforcement of the microwave policy,” concluded the tribunal. “However, the applicant argued that she was adversely affected by the enforcement of the policy.”

There were, it must be noted, from the employer’s point of view, some other serious concerns about the employee’s behaviour that had nothing to do with microwave cookers at all: visiting other peoples’ desks and accessing their computers, for instance. These the tribunal declined to ventilate. The tribunal also would not allow the calling of a witness for the employer, and the Superior Court gave them a tap on the head for not so doing.

The court found the tribunal’s judgment “fatally flawed” and, most damming of all, that it was “simply not possible to logically follow the pathway taken by the adjudicator.” That doesn’t sound so much like an overruling as an expression of judicial shock and horror, and a none-too-subtle cry for help.

Yet it was upon this flawed edifice and impossible reasoning that the tribunal moved on to its penalties. It ordered fines and costs totalling $36,000 against the employer, Ms. Tefler. Since the accused had little money, the lawyers working for the complainant decided they would go after the woman’s house — have it auctioned off — to get the microwave money for their client.

Did no one at this “human rights” tribunal look at the penalty of the ill-decided case and see that the consequences flowing from the penalty was itself the real violation of human rights?

How long must it be before provincial and federal political parties come out of their respective caves of cowardice and timidity and pronounce on the degradation of human rights in Canada? The public are so far ahead of the politicians on this issue that it has become a matter of wonder why the politicians continue to hold back.

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #541 on: February 07, 2011, 07:38:33 »
A more complete story on the affair is here:

Superior Court rules Ontario Human Rights Tribunal hearing was unfair

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Moira Welsh Staff Reporter

A Mississauga businesswoman whose home was ordered seized to pay an Ontario Human Rights Tribunal award to a former employee can keep her house — for now.

The Superior Court struck down the “fatally flawed” decision as so unfair to defendant Maxcine Telfer — who represented herself in the hearing — that it was “simply not possible to logically follow the pathway taken by the adjudicator.”

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #542 on: March 16, 2011, 23:23:11 »
Another bizarre example:

Shared with the usual caveats:

Florist refuses to outfit same-sex couple's wedding
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Posted: Mar 16, 2011 11:05 AM AT

A florist in Riverview, N.B., is refusing to provide wedding flowers to a same-sex couple, according to the event's planner.

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #543 on: October 04, 2011, 17:24:30 »
Calgary’s Bishop Henry supports bill to curb controversial Section 13
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Written by  Deborah Gyapong, Canadian Catholic News

OTTAWA - Calgary Bishop Fred Henry has come out in support of a bill introduced by a Conservative MP that would strike the controversial Section 13 from the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Henry, who faced human rights complaints in 2005 for writing a pastoral letter defending traditional marriage, said Section 13 and its provincial counterparts “need to either be eliminated or subjected to an extensive re-write.”

Section 13 deems discriminatory any action “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt” if they are “identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.”


Brian Storseth introduced Bill C-304, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) into the House of Commons Sept. 30. The bill would repeal Section 13 as well as section 54, the penalty clause associated with it.

“I am a firm believer that freedom of speech is one of the building blocks of our society,” Storseth said in an interview. “It is one of the core freedoms all the freedoms are built on. What is freedom of assembly if you don’t have freedom of speech?”

Henry faced complaints based on a similar clause in the Alberta Human Rights Act. He said Bill 13 exposes religious leaders to human rights complaints for expressing firmly held religious views on moral issues. It also causes publishers to be hauled before “the kangaroo court of a tribunal hearing” for printing cartoons, and censors comedians for “making remarks that might offend somebody’s sensitivities.”

“In Canada, we do not arrest people who are likely to break the law. The law must actually be broken,” the bishop said. “To hurt someone’s feelings doesn’t constitute discrimination, nor hatred.”
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #544 on: October 04, 2011, 17:37:00 »
“To hurt someone’s feelings doesn’t constitute discrimination, nor hatred.”
Maybe that should be highlighted within in the Recruiting threads.   :whistle:
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #545 on: October 04, 2011, 17:48:08 »
Maybe that should be highlighted within in the Recruiting threads.   :whistle:

or marriage vows  . . .  just saying

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #546 on: October 04, 2011, 19:38:24 »
or marriage vows  . . .  just saying

Yeah Right. Like that one will ever fly. :worms:
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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #547 on: October 06, 2011, 15:09:12 »
Maybe that should be highlighted within in the Recruiting threads.   :whistle:

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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #548 on: November 18, 2011, 10:20:30 »
With all this accumulating evidence, it would seem time for either a Provincial or the Federal government to end these alleged Human Rights commissions and tribunals for good:

http://ezralevant.com/2008/02/kangaroo-courts-just-not-as-fa.html

From the link above:
"A real court has slapped down a kangaroo court. The Federal Court of Canada has thrown out a Canadan Human Rights Commission decision to award a nine-figure sum to Canada Post workers who were allegedly "discriminated against" based on sex -- based on a complaint made 25 years ago."

Update.
"Top court swiftly decides longest-running pay equity dispute: OTTAWA—It was a surprisingly swift end to the country’s longest running pay equity dispute.

In an unusual oral ruling from the bench, the Supreme Court of Canada decided in favour of a group of women clerical workers at Canada Post who fought for better pay for work they argued was worth as much as that of mostly male postal workers.

The decision in the 28-year-old case, the country’s oldest pay equity challenge, will likely cost Canada Post well over the original $150 million award that was handed down by a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal in 2005.

The Public Service Alliance of Canada, which took the workers’ case all the way to the country’s top court, estimates that, with back pay and interest to retroactively compensate the workers who passed through 2,300 clerical positions in the 1980s and ’90s, the final bill could mount to about $250 million.":
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1088810--top-court-swiftly-decides-longest-running-pay-equity-dispute?bn=1





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Re: Human Rights Gone Awry
« Reply #549 on: November 26, 2011, 20:48:30 »
Yet another reason to ensure that the NDP never achieves political power in Canada, and to work to ensure their ouster in any  Provincial government where they are in charge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkgAV8Phtw8&feature=player_embedded#!
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