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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2009, 11:12:04 »
No one has looked at the other side of the coin...  If she strays while you are away, it gives you permission to do the same...  We are by nature a pack animal... It is only our good christian up bring that has told us that we have to be monogamous... After loosing my kids because my wife cheated on me I now look at life a whole different way... I now discuss it with my girlfriends and they know I will stray while I am away... They also know they can as well... Neither of us stray while we are together...  What works for some does not always work for others...  It is hard to stray for the teaching of our parents, but we have done so in other things and lived...


And for my moral compass that works, your being honest with her about it and no lies. Best of luck with it I have seen it work, and I have seen it not work. But at least this way you have a clear conscience
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2009, 11:26:48 »
Hey Guys
On behalf of the female gender I apologize for the hurt you have been through ESPECIALLY whilst deployed ....the nerve....grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
My guy has been gone since June and returns April... I have been 100% faithful I Love, Respect, Admire, and Adore this man being in the sandbox is a scary time for both of us and the last thing that anyone ever needs is a cheating *** either at home or on deployment ... I do not know why people cheat.... Karma is always gonna sneak up and bite you in the butt!!!!! and then some.......
Seriously guys if your woman (cant call her a lady) cheated on you while you were in a WAR trust me she is gonna do it while your at Tim Hortons!
AND please remember there really are good "ladies" out there... the part that bugs me is this: after you have been cheated on the mistrust is thrown onto the next lady until its resloved .... friggin Cheaters!!!!!
PHEWWWW I feel better now !!!! LOL  ::)
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Cool, a ladies perspective, and for allot of what you said about women as you can see from the posts there are allot of men out there that do not ( or have learned to be honest about it  :o)  I had a long talk with the wife about that and I know her feelings, she knows I am a bit more open about it then she is. My answer to her concern was. " you know that my outlook is more liberal then yours.  However I know you would leave me if I did. There for I would not as I would not want to see you hurt. I love being honest !!  ;D
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2009, 11:44:18 »
Thank you!

I will be honest and tell you that I have been cheated ON... and know what that's all about! and the scars you bare! do I worry that my BF may cheat on me ...yes I do... am I scared NOPE... he has stated he knows what he has and how lucky he feels so I have to trust that .... BTW I have to say that expressing the events of cheating is healthy as long as you do not dwell on...and realize there truly are good people out there...
The story about the Tide Box in the window LOL I have seen that in Pet... but also you have to think about the spouses at home that hear all about deployment affairs! or the training quickies!!! its hard both ways... COMPLETE HONESTY can sometimes prove to be like a IED , think about that!!!! LOL hope I did not offend any of you!
Best thing to do is when you think about straying even just once,: How would he/she feel if they knew? and How would I feel if he/she did this to me? I swear you will walk away! IF you love that person you do not want them hurt ....heart broken...
Sorry Guys I kinda went on and on... Forgive me
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2009, 11:50:29 »
good points.  This thread has really turned out to be interesting, as for the guy who posted earlier about his girlfriend making out with some dude at the bar, I'm not sure what to tell you.  Some people get really drunk and do something that they honestly regret and wouldn't repeat. 

Some people are just garbage.  It's up to you to decide which she is.
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2009, 12:00:15 »
good points.  This thread has really turned out to be interesting, as for the guy who posted earlier about his girlfriend making out with some dude at the bar, I'm not sure what to tell you.  Some people get really drunk and do something that they honestly regret and wouldn't repeat. 

Some people are just garbage.  It's up to you to decide which she is.

I don't like the excuse of alcohol being the reason. I know everyone is differant in how they handle the affects but. If they do things that regret when drinking then they know that about themselves and yet go out and drink some more. Drinking loosens your inhibitions, but it does not create a person who was not inside of you before, it just allows that person to come to the surface.

I have been more then a bit inebriated before and doing something I shouldn't have been doing ( she wasn't single ) I stopped myself and left. Alcohol may of led me to the point but it is my personality that kept me from following through.
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2009, 12:32:44 »

long story short... she wants to go out.. i'm not comfortable with it, because of what she has done, but i dont want to say much against it, because that will push her away further.  I love her, and deep down i know she loves me.. i'm just so far away.  its a 4 months tasking, not quite a deployment, but a long time away from home either way.. especially for our first time apart.  but being a tasking, not a tour, there isn't much for support.

Im so frustrated, and scared. I dont want to lose her, but i cant let her walk all over me.  I'm getting help for my personal issues, but as far as the relationship, we aren't married, so i'm pretty much being told to cut her loose and to get over it.  ?????? I dont know.  This has been a bit of a rant/vent.. I do feel better getting it out though.  Thanks for reading.

Well that is a tough situation to be in, I'm not in your situation however I seem to have an abundance of experience with a similar situation :P . I will share with you my two cents on the situation, hopefully it helps.

From my own experience, I used to be an insecure person, by the time I married my ex I was generally a very secure and confident person, however I was terrified of her cheating on my when I was overseas. In heinsight that should have raised some alarms, but it did not. She was not supportive of my life goals and aspirations, nor was she supportive of what I was apart of in Afghanistan. It was all about her, and from my fear of losing her I played ball, and did whatever I could to appease her. Big mistake. That relationship was doomed to fail from the start. That is not to say I didnt love her, however I was in love with the idea of who I knew she could be, not what she was. My mistake, my pain, her benefit of having a good person like me and the financial, material, and emotional support for all those years. She had issues, I helped her grow as a person. When everything went to crap and she cheated on me, I was destroyed. I went through fits of rage, and complete depression, half of me wanted her back, half of me wanted to tell her where to go, and never look back. After time I obviously smartened up and chose the ladder. The thing I realised is the relationship I had was based on false pretenses and created emotions I made to make myself feel better about the crappy relationship. I never got what I needed as a person from her. After a lot of counselling to deal with my anger(pre exisiting which was dramatically increased from tour) and the end of my marriage, I realised I am way better off without her, and I am a lot happier by myself. a lot of self help, and talking with friends but I got over it and learned A LOT. It is when I realised I was happy without her, and that im a much stronger person for it, I met my current girlfriend. She is amazing. Its a complete 180 from my past experience. I could go on and explain how great this person is, however there is not much point. Point is it is when I was happy with myself, that I found someone. Women are very intuitive, they will pick up whats going through your head.

In my case my ex cheating on me was the best thing that could have happened. Its a pain in the neck to go thru the divorce but hey, live and learn. Keep on soldierin on. No one can tell you what to do, only you can make the decision whats best for you, but experience has shown me that it might be time for you to be honest with yourself about the situation. Counselling can help.

Good luck buds

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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2009, 14:05:23 »
Patriot!

WOW to read from the initial thread to today's note you have really come along way! and you are an inspiration to others that are travelling down this road now...CONGRATS to your success! I know it was not easy... but way 2 go!!! I hope you continue to update us...
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I am so sorry to read of your happenings... I really hope you get some comfort soon... 4 months hun is nothing really ...its nothing, Iam going into 8 I have gone out with my friends and hun I am still here and have been faithful...( we are not married either)seriously you being away for 4 months should bring you closer to each other not make her want to "make out" with someone else... NO EXCUSE accepted.... I know you love her sometimes love is not enough... and really do you want to for the rest of your life second guess her? retrusting is very hard... mind you it can be done!!!! Been there done that one... and wearing the T Shirt!!! LOL oh and still doing it!!! ;)
There are great ladies in this world that you will never have to second guess, that you will simply be able to trust..and without trust what do you have... doubt etc...
Anyways if you need a woman's thought process at all I am here OK... all about the support for sure!!!!
Stay Safe.....

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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2009, 10:01:18 »
thanks guys.  i'm pretty much a mess right now, and everything everyone says seems to gel with me.  im not going to decide anything until i get my wits about me.  i dont know, half the time I just feel numb, so filled with emotion that its like overload.  other times, i'll feel my chest being weighed down, and then my stomach goes in knots as I wonder.. just what is she doing right now?  who is she talking to?  why wont she answer phone?  she says she wants to work on it, especially when sober.  but then the weekends come, she is like two completely different people.  this is making me crazy, i'm glad i have an appointment with the therapist on monday, i usually feel a bit better for a little while when i come out of there. 

its so hard to cope, so far from home, especially on the weekend, so much time to just think, and have thoughts build up in my head.  i mean really, who gets excited for monday?
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2009, 15:23:46 »
thanks guys.  i'm pretty much a mess right now, and everything everyone says seems to gel with me.  im not going to decide anything until i get my wits about me.  i dont know, half the time I just feel numb, so filled with emotion that its like overload.  other times, i'll feel my chest being weighed down, and then my stomach goes in knots as I wonder.. just what is she doing right now?  who is she talking to?  why wont she answer phone?  she says she wants to work on it, especially when sober.  but then the weekends come, she is like two completely different people.  this is making me crazy, i'm glad i have an appointment with the therapist on monday, i usually feel a bit better for a little while when i come out of there. 

its so hard to cope, so far from home, especially on the weekend, so much time to just think, and have thoughts build up in my head.  i mean really, who gets excited for monday?

dude, that you feel she is a different person on the weekends... that's probably her real self poking through.  I'm not saying drop her, but give it a real hard look.
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2009, 16:23:30 »
Well that is a tough situation to be in, I'm not in your situation however I seem to have an abundance of experience with a similar situation :P . I will share with you my two cents on the situation, hopefully it helps.

From my own experience, I used to be an insecure person, by the time I married my ex I was generally a very secure and confident person, however I was terrified of her cheating on my when I was overseas. In heinsight that should have raised some alarms, but it did not. She was not supportive of my life goals and aspirations, nor was she supportive of what I was apart of in Afghanistan. It was all about her, and from my fear of losing her I played ball, and did whatever I could to appease her. Big mistake. That relationship was doomed to fail from the start. That is not to say I didnt love her, however I was in love with the idea of who I knew she could be, not what she was. My mistake, my pain, her benefit of having a good person like me and the financial, material, and emotional support for all those years. She had issues, I helped her grow as a person. When everything went to crap and she cheated on me, I was destroyed. I went through fits of rage, and complete depression, half of me wanted her back, half of me wanted to tell her where to go, and never look back. After time I obviously smartened up and chose the ladder. The thing I realised is the relationship I had was based on false pretenses and created emotions I made to make myself feel better about the crappy relationship. I never got what I needed as a person from her. After a lot of counselling to deal with my anger(pre exisiting which was dramatically increased from tour) and the end of my marriage, I realised I am way better off without her, and I am a lot happier by myself. a lot of self help, and talking with friends but I got over it and learned A LOT. It is when I realised I was happy without her, and that im a much stronger person for it, I met my current girlfriend. She is amazing. Its a complete 180 from my past experience. I could go on and explain how great this person is, however there is not much point. Point is it is when I was happy with myself, that I found someone. Women are very intuitive, they will pick up whats going through your head.

In my case my ex cheating on me was the best thing that could have happened. Its a pain in the neck to go thru the divorce but hey, live and learn. Keep on soldierin on. No one can tell you what to do, only you can make the decision whats best for you, but experience has shown me that it might be time for you to be honest with yourself about the situation. Counselling can help.

Good luck buds

I dont know if we have all had something like this, but good lord this sounds A lot like my last relationship... minus the divorce and anger issues...  those came AFTER tour.....

And Gumby, it sounds like she will probabbly cause you more pain then happiness if you try to stick with her in the long run. she sounds like the kind of person who if she cant be with the one she loves, then she'll just love the one she is with.... 

sbe sounds like trouble... and I'm afraid it will just be a cycle of "I'm sorry's" and "I didn't mean to's" in your future.

Take care and I hope things work out for the best.

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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2009, 22:08:09 »
I try to not put myself in situations that would tempt me to cheat.  I love my wife and as much as I like to look at a pretty woman, I could not hurt her like that.

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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2009, 02:50:10 »
One should try to remember it does not pay to have few discrete moments of lust/pleasure over a lifetime of trust and friendship. That being said, an affair is not the start of a strained relationship, its the result of one.

Too bad my now Ex did not think the way I try to.

No one deserves to get such disrespectul treatment, especially when they are deployed.

And life rolls on....

As for me, twice bitten now, and thrice shy.

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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2009, 19:05:11 »
I try to not put myself in situations that would tempt me to cheat.  I love my wife and as much as I like to look at a pretty woman, I could not hurt her like that.

I couldn't agree more.  There's a road that leads to cheating, and you have to learn to recognize when you're on it, and then get off (the road that is)
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2009, 13:38:51 »
I couldn't agree more.  There's a road that leads to cheating, and you have to learn to recognize when you're on it, and then get off (the road that is)

Unfortunately some people dont have the higher intelligence required to see what road they're on. But that being said it is people like that, that make the rest of us look good!

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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2009, 21:39:17 »
I've been loathe to post anything on this thread, feeling like a bit of a hypocrite. 

Yes, I have cheated in a relationship, once.  Not while I was with my husband now, a previous relationship.  I've also been cheated on.  That road CPL4Life spoke about is a slippery slope indeed, and I agree that it's important to recognize those road signs.   I will say, and it's no justification whatsoever, the relationship was doomed from the get go.  The ex declared that he wanted to be able to sleep with whomever, but I couldn't.  So he did.  With his ex, and one of his female friends, and lord knows who else really.  Why I stayed as long as I did (too long) I'll never know.  And I suppose out of spite, I stepped out on him.  Big red flag!  Should have just left instead of staying to cause further damage.  Spite is a nasty thing.

I call it a very low point in my life that I have made a conscious effort not to revisit.  Do I get tempted?  Of course, I'm human.  I will admit I like eye candy as much as the next person.  I just make it a point of looking but not touching.
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2009, 20:52:30 »
Window shopping isn't illegal Lil T

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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2009, 22:43:13 »
Window shopping isn't illegal Lil T

Thank God!  I do enjoy ogling the eye candy.
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #67 on: February 06, 2009, 23:30:30 »
  eye candy.

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« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2009, 23:39:09 »
Hello!!....I'm in the room.......

calling yourself eye candy, or are you and Lil' well acquainted?  Just curious, no need to actually answer that.

I agree.  Just because you're on a diet, doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.  But strictly, look.
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #69 on: February 06, 2009, 23:51:22 »
I failed humility class.....
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2009, 00:00:45 »
Why Bruce I don't think I've had the pleasure.   heh


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« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2009, 00:01:36 »
I failed humility class.....

heh.  some of us never even took it.
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« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2009, 00:03:33 »
wait - they have classes for that??  whoa... totally missed all those then. :o
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« Reply #73 on: February 07, 2009, 07:19:15 »
"S'ok - don't need humility class if, at one time or another... you've eaten "humble pie"
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Re: Afghanistan, is it worth it- Cheating Spouse Thread
« Reply #74 on: February 07, 2009, 09:44:00 »
eaten it? hell, I've been smacked in the face with it once or twice....lol
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