Author Topic: BMQ Security Clearance form (Read 4843 times)

Tempestshade · « **on:** July 24, 2009, 17:15:27 »

Hello everyone,
I have been talking to people who are going on the same BMQ as me, and others who are going on different dates. Some of them seem to be stating that they have to fill out a security clearance form. I assume they get this form with their papers that they receive during enrollment.
I already filled one of these out when I completed my application for ROTP(Pilot, Air Nav, and Aerospace), and then when I decided to switch to NCM Ammo Tech I rewrote another one. Is the form I have filled out the same as my fellow recruits, or am I missing a form? Or perhaps should I not worry about it until I get there?

Thank you,
David

Lil_T · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2009, 17:59:01 »

the other security clearance form is TBS/SCT 330-60E (if in english) It needs all your info for the last 10 years. Residence, employment, family information, marital status, etc. It is 4 pages long plus instructions. This form you take to St Jean with you personally. It is not the same as the one you did with your application.

You can look up the form online and you'll be able to see if it's the same one or not.

Tempestshade · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:09:34 »

I have 330-23E completed, and in my package, and was never informed about 330-60E.

I have already filled out all that information in the security clearance form I filled out with my application.

Lil_T · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:16:39 »

yep, 330/23e is the preliminary screening form. this other one is much more in depth.

have you sworn in yet? this form was in with the rest of the forms we were given to take home and fill out - will, etc... if you haven't you will likely receive it then. If you have already sworn in call your RC and inquire about it.

Tempestshade · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:32:52 »

I have sworn in, and I was not given any forms to take home to fill out, just my plane ticket number and other documents to be handed into CFLRS. I will have to call the recruiting center, but it is slightly late for this as it is the weekend, and I leave in a week.

NFLD Sapper · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:38:36 »

The second form is used to grant you Level 1, 2, or 3 Clearance.

Certain trades require this while others do not.

For example Combat Engineers require a Level 2 (Secret) clearance for specific parts of our tasks.

Lil_T · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:41:47 »

well there you go. I'm pretty sure though that everyone at my swearing in got one of these forms to fill out.

Tempestshade · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:44:26 »

I am going to guess that I would need a clearance level as I am enrolling as an Ammo Tech, but I may be wrong. And none of the people I enrolled with were given any forms to fill out, the recruiter didn't mention anything like this. Actually the enrollment was greatly unorganized at the time so I would not be surprised if it was forgotten.

NFLD Sapper · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:47:35 »

You would probably need to get one either before your trades course or while on it.

George Wallace · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2009, 18:56:20 »

When you apply to join the CF, you are signing forms to do Security/Credit checks. You are not filling out forms for a Security Clearance. You will not fill out Security Clearance forms, which may look similar to some forms you have filled out already, until such time as you are successfully through BMQ and entering into Trades Trg. Again: you do not start your Security Clearances on application to the CF. There are not enough people processing them to do so, and it is a waste of their time to do a Clearance on a person who may never make it through the process to start BMQ. That takes away from the time they could have spent on doing a Clearance on a person who actually needs it.

Tempestshade · « **Reply #10 on:** July 24, 2009, 19:05:24 »

Alright, so to clarify, it is alright that I do not have a Security Clearance form at the moment? And I perhaps will not have to fill one out until I complete my BMQ?

Off Topic: George Wallace, as much as I find you harsh sometimes, I do greatly appreciate you replying to my topic as I am assured that what you are telling me is true(Judged upon your previous reliability of your posts). I now realize why you strive for people to not answer questions unless they know what they are talking about. Takes a question I really need answered to realize this.

NFLD Sapper · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2009, 19:07:14 »

Quote from: Tempestshade on July 24, 2009, 19:05:24

Alright, so to clarify, it is alright that I do not have a Security Clearance form at the moment? And I perhaps will not have to fill one out until I complete my BMQ?

You are good to go......

George Wallace · « **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2009, 19:24:22 »

Quote from: Tempestshade on July 24, 2009, 19:05:24

Alright, so to clarify, it is alright that I do not have a Security Clearance form at the moment? And I perhaps will not have to fill one out until I complete my BMQ?

Off Topic: George Wallace, as much as I find you harsh sometimes, I do greatly appreciate you replying to my topic as I am assured that what you are telling me is true(Judged upon your previous reliability of your posts). I now realize why you strive for people to not answer questions unless they know what they are talking about. Takes a question I really need answered to realize this.

You will be through your BMQ and SQ/BMQ(L) training long before you need to worry about your Security Clearance. In the majority of cases you will need a CF email account before you will be doing any Security Clearance, as it is sent to you electronically to submit electronically to D Secur 2. Hard Copies are printed off by your Unit Security Supervisor and sent in to D Secur 2 with your original Signatures (in Blue Ink) and if anything over Level II, other docs such as photos, etc. are also enclosed. You will have to be fingerprinted for Level III. The higher the Clearance you need the more that has to be done. Note now: if you were not born in Canada, make sure you have your Citizenship Certificate handy, as a TRUE COPY of it must also be submitted for higher Clearances. Never throw away any of the information you have gathered to complete these forms, as you will be resubmitting that info every ten to five years, depending on the Clearance level you hold.

Otis · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2009, 18:20:30 »

I actually got a call from St Jean last week asking for info from someone's Application so that they could complete the forms for the Security Check ... and THAT person's enrolment was late June ... so I think they are completing forms DURING BMQ to start the Security Clearances George.

Just FYI ...

Otis

ltmaverick25 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2009, 18:44:40 »

I do not beleive ammo techs require a security clearance, which is likely why you were not given those forms. There are other trades who will require a clearance to do their trades training and be employable in their trade once training is complete. For those people, security forms are initiated ASAP because the process takes time. They do this in the hopes that it will be complete for the time they need it. Again, I am almost positive your trade does not require that.

JBoyd · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2009, 19:02:33 »

Quote from: Otis on July 25, 2009, 18:20:30

I actually got a call from St Jean last week asking for info from someone's Application so that they could complete the forms for the Security Check ... and THAT person's enrolment was late June ... so I think they are completing forms DURING BMQ to start the Security Clearances George.

Just FYI ...

Otis

I can add a bit of confirmation to that as well. During my short BMQ stint in Feb 08 we had to have our 330-60E's filled out and handed in during Week 0. We all gathered at the Bistro and sat down with someone who went over it to make sure all the information was there.

George Wallace · « **Reply #16 on:** July 26, 2009, 08:39:51 »

Quote from: Otis on July 25, 2009, 18:20:30

I actually got a call from St Jean last week asking for info from someone's Application so that they could complete the forms for the Security Check ... and THAT person's enrolment was late June ... so I think they are completing forms DURING BMQ to start the Security Clearances George.

Just FYI ...

Otis

Quote from: JBoyd on July 25, 2009, 19:02:33

I can add a bit of confirmation to that as well. During my short BMQ stint in Feb 08 we had to have our 330-60E's filled out and handed in during Week 0. We all gathered at the Bistro and sat down with someone who went over it to make sure all the information was there.

Giving people the forms to fill out, and actually processing them are two different things. I will not say that these were not processed, but I won't say that they were either. As I said in a previous post, these are submitted electronically, and the hardcopies mailed in after that is done; which means a USS had to do that themselves. That is a fair amount of work. The member getting the Clearance is supposed to have a DWAN Outlook Acct to do so. This would not be the first time that someone prepared their people for a future requirement by giving them the forms to research and fill in, so that they will have their information all ready when the time comes. I have seen some people take up to eight months to gather all that information.

Smity199 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:51:30 »

so what would happen if you made it through BMQ and then it turned out you didnt pass the security clearance??

Michael O'Leary · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:55:36 »

Quote from: Smity199 on July 31, 2009, 02:51:30

so what would happen if you made it through BMQ and then it turned out you didnt pass the security clearance??

That would most likely depend on what your trade was, and what security clearance would be required to serve in that trade (even if it might not be required until later in your career). If there was a conflict between trade and security clearance it could lead to a trade reassignment, or release if the problems identified were serious enough.

Maestro · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2009, 23:20:59 »

On the 330-60e security form there are only 4 spots for employment history...if I need more room should I just add another page to the form?

Otis · « **Reply #20 on:** August 20, 2009, 23:23:37 »

Quote from: Maestro on August 20, 2009, 23:20:59

On the 330-60e security form there are only 4 spots for employment history...if I need more room should I just add another page to the form?

Yes, OR you can go in to your RC and they should provide you with an 'extension' page to the form.

ammocat · « **Reply #21 on:** August 20, 2009, 23:59:26 »

QL-3 Ammo Techs have to be "Reliable" to attend the QL-3 course, and Level 2 Secret to attend the QL-5 course. I do not know what the requirements are for BMQ or when the process starts. If you are going AT, get the process started for Level 2 as soon as possible. Photocopy the forms and keep your own copy. Keep on top of it until you know it is processed, especially after your QL-3 course. If you complete the OJPR (training between QL-3 and QL-5) and come back on your 5's you will be sent back to your unit if you are not Level 2.

ammocat · « **Reply #22 on:** August 21, 2009, 00:03:40 »

Tempestshade

Out of curiosity, where are you in your training? BMQ?

Mudshuvel · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2011, 20:04:59 »

Hey guys,

I decided to fill out this necrothread rather than create a new one.

I looked at multiple pages going through the Security Clearance checks for the trades. I'm going for ATIS and I'm guessing the only thing I really have that could hinder my Security Clearance is my credit history.

I 'passed' the reliability screening with a few things smashing into my credit from years ago, not so much from neglect to wanting to pay them, just frankly unable to. I'm aiming to get at least one of those paid off by the time I enter BMQ. In your own opinions/experience, could that impact me to the point of getting released? The total there is under 2k, I'm just unsure how large the credit potion of it plays into security clearance.

Regards

PMedMoe · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2011, 20:55:39 »

Normally, as long as you are making an effort to pay off the debt, it's not a problem. Had it been a huge issue, you wouldn't have made it past the enrollment stage. Stop worrying.

Mudshuvel · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2011, 21:35:27 »

Thanks PMedMoe,

I just kept thinking of how bad it would suck getting kicked off course and having to return to no job. I should have some of it gone by BMQ anyways.

bgray · « **Reply #26 on:** December 07, 2011, 07:45:17 »

I'm in the process of filling out my security clearance forms; will it matter if I was released (fired) from a job, or have several jobs listed on the form? (I'm going to my RC to pick up an extension form for employment). There is a spot on the form to indicate if you have been released from a job, and I will check off yes and provide the employer, I just hope this doesn't have too much effect on my clearance - I've been told by others, not to worry.

SentryMAn · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2011, 08:41:53 »

I don't think so, but make sure there are no gaps on the form.
include things like "Sept 2011 - Oct 2011 Unemployed"

I was told this by a former Unit Security Officer

bgray · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2011, 10:03:46 »

Quote from: SentryMAn on December 07, 2011, 08:41:53

I don't think so, but make sure there are no gaps on the form.
include things like "Sept 2011 - Oct 2011 Unemployed"

I was told this by a former Unit Security Officer

Awesome! Thanks a bunch, I'm going to the RC right now to get the extended sheet, thank you.

Ayrsayle · « **Reply #29 on:** December 18, 2011, 14:24:13 »

Their issue is more "Where was this guy during x period of time and how can we verify it?" more so then "Was he employed continuously for 10 years".

I had some periods of unemployment on my security sheet - nothing ever came from it.

Good luck!

bgray · « **Reply #30 on:** December 19, 2011, 10:38:59 »

Thank you. That makes me feel more comfortable.

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Author Topic: BMQ Security Clearance form (Read 4843 times)