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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2010, 11:01:13 »
I understand the need for a pause while people consider how and if to create a foundation for this purpose. One good point to consider is if the foundation does exist then it could be the vehicle to pressure politicians to recognize the War of 1812 and the regiments who participated, and since the foundation would have done the heavy lifting (i.e. researched the claims, provided documentation, publicised the cause etc.) the political class will not be too adverse to stepping in to claim the glory.

Jean Chretien did just that by unveilling the Korean War memorial in Ottawa which vets had fought for and funded themselves over a period of many years, so if a ceremony to honour the Regiments for the War of 1812 happens on Parliament Hill in 2012, "we" will know how it happened.
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2010, 11:12:32 »
Thanks Thucydides. I will read in also. Not wanting to sound like a "deflector" since I raised this idea, but I wonder if a good route (maybe better route) might be to enlist some support such as politicians, noted historians or other figures. The objective being to exert pressure on the Govt (or possibly the GG) to award some tangible commemorative device?

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Good points any suggestions come to mind?

We probably have one "noted historian" on board already, don't we Sweaty? 8)

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2010, 11:34:27 »
Unfortunately he knows next to squat of the details of the War of 1812, despite having grown up in the Niagara Peninsula. He has some friends who are very knowledgeable on the war and in fact have written a lot of books on the subject.

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2010, 08:45:39 »
Of course our "noted historian" can certainly help select competent historians and researchers who *do* know a thing or to about the War of 1812.

I think we have one member of the board already!
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2010, 09:51:30 »
Just a quick point of interest about battles honours prior to 1855 perpetuated by current serving units.  HMCS Carleton perpetuates Lake Champlain 1776 by virtue of them taking over the name from the british and thus having no unbroken service as Carleton.

Not sure if it brings anything to the conversation though.

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2010, 10:53:20 »
There is a not quite a precedent for perpetuating War of 1812 units. In 1858 the British received permission from the government of the united provinces of Canada to raise a regular infantry regiment in Canada. The unit was designated the 100th Royal Canadian Regiment of Foot and was given the battle honours of the old 100th Foot which had served on the Niagara frontier during the War of 1812 and had been disbanded in 1818. The rationale for this was that "the nucleus of the new regiment was found in the descendents of the old." George Stanley wrote in Canada's Soldiers, The Military History of an Unmilitary People, that "if this principle had been adopted in the case of militia regiments organized after 1855, many of our present-day Reserve Army regiments could claim honours for the War of 1812 and perhaps for the American Revolutionary War."

The Canadian link was short lived and the 100th soon became an Irish Regiment. It was disbanded circa 1922.

I wonder if there is too long a gap in time compared to the 44 years between the end of the War of 1812 and the raising of the new 100th Foot. However this gives us a starting point.

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2010, 02:32:05 »
The problem with Canadian Units obtaining Battle Honours for the War of 1812 or even the American Revolutionary War, are ones of legality and political. King George III would not grant any Battle Honours for the American Revolutionary War because his Army lost to the American Colonists and Battle Honours for the War of 1812 have been awarded to British Regiments. In fact, one UK Regiment (41st Foot, now part of the Royal Welsh) was awarded 4 Battle Honours; DETROIT; QUEENSTOWN; MIAMI and NIAGARA.
No Canadian Unit can claim ancestry from any British-Canadian Unit, as all those Units were either disbanded within a few years after the end of War of 1812 or they had reverted back to the Sedentary Militia.
The compulsory Sedentary Militia (which was County-based) was replaced by a ‘paid’ Active Militia (of Volunteers, also County-based) on 01 Jul 1855 when the MILITIA ACT, 1855 was proclaimed into law. Subsequently, the Sedentary Militia was re-styled “Non-Service Militia” (1864); “Reserve Militia” (1869); last enrolled in 1873 and finally abolished in 1950. No Units that I am aware of, were transferred to the new ‘Active Militia’, hence no lineal descent to any Unit in the new ‘Active Militia’
The new ‘Active Militia” was first formed, from Volunteers into Company-sized Units (1855) and then into Battalions (1859). This has been the back-up to the Regular Force ever since.
Individual members of the Sedentary Militia may have Volunteered for the Active Militia, but this does not imply continuation of any Sedentary Militia Units in the Active Militia.

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2010, 09:07:17 »
The problem with Canadian Units obtaining Battle Honours for the War of 1812 or even the American Revolutionary War, are ones of legality and political. King George III would not grant any Battle Honours for the American Revolutionary War because his Army lost to the American Colonists and Battle Honours for the War of 1812 have been awarded to British Regiments. In fact, one UK Regiment (41st Foot, now part of the Royal Welsh) was awarded 4 Battle Honours; DETROIT; QUEENSTOWN; MIAMI and NIAGARA.
No Canadian Unit can claim ancestry from any British-Canadian Unit, as all those Units were either disbanded within a few years after the end of War of 1812 or they had reverted back to the Sedentary Militia.
The compulsory Sedentary Militia (which was County-based) was replaced by a ‘paid’ Active Militia (of Volunteers, also County-based) on 01 Jul 1855 when the MILITIA ACT, 1855 was proclaimed into law. Subsequently, the Sedentary Militia was re-styled “Non-Service Militia” (1864); “Reserve Militia” (1869); last enrolled in 1873 and finally abolished in 1950. No Units that I am aware of, were transferred to the new ‘Active Militia’, hence no lineal descent to any Unit in the new ‘Active Militia’

Individual members of the Sedentary Militia may have Volunteered for the Active Militia, but this does not imply continuation of any Sedentary Militia Units in the Active Militia.

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Strict legalities can be overcome by changing the law.  We are not British and revising Canadian law might better reflect our historical realities.  There is simply no practical reason for current units that are part of a community not to reflect the past military deeds of that community.

Strict lineage has been ignored in the past and can be ignored again.  The battle honours carried by many regiments for South Africa and WWI were not earned directly and, as stated elsewhere, the Royal Newfoundland Regiment perpetuates the regiment of WWI by decree not continuous lineage.

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The new ‘Active Militia” was first formed, from Volunteers into Company-sized Units (1855) and then into Battalions (1859). This has been the back-up to the Regular Force ever since.

The purpose of the regular force until the 1950s was to train the militia.  The Korean force was organized by the Regular Force but the first Cold War troops were militia.  The continuing manpower demands of the Cold War led to the need for a standing army which is still in place.




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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2010, 09:07:52 »
Wheels 031 and your point is?

The preceeding 5 pages already covered this in some detail. The objective of the exercise is to find a legal viable way around this obstacle and others.
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2010, 10:20:11 »
Since no one else has taken a stab at it:

Unit Recognition: War of 1812

While it is commendable that Canadians and Canadian regiments want to recognize and commemorate the actions of their forebears in the War of 1812, the manner in doing so must be developed with careful respect of precedent, but without rewriting either historical facts or existing traditions of formal recognition. Recognition must also be developed without abandoning existing award systems, and not simply by ignoring nearly two centuries of developed process to reinstate a perceived simpler system of a bygone era (which, notably, did not award any such honours by the standards of the day).   It is, perhaps, more important to accept what such commemoration is not, rather than to attempt to equate it to existing systems of honours and awards.

To begin with, what would be the purpose?  I would suggest that this is twofold.  Firstly, it would serve to establish and maintain a more formalized connection between existing Canadian regiments and those units of the War of 1812 that were raised in the provinces that became Canada. Secondly, to ensure that during any commemorative events, there are regiments ready to represent their memory and their actions without confusion as to which units should be requested (or tasked) to provide such representation.  Let us not forget that with any such assignment of historical representation comes the responsibility to actually stand up and do it when needed.

While we can take some principals of application from the systems of battle honours and perpetuation, it is important to realize that commemoration of War of 1812 units would be neither of these.  That, perhaps, will be the most difficult aspect to get all participants to understand.  Just because a unit may be designated to commemorate a unit of the War of 1812 at Queenston Heights should never then lead to questions of a battle honour or other formal recognition.  Similarly, it must be clear that this is, in no manner, a declaration that formal lineages exists to those units.

As a final introductory point, it is accepted that no plan will please all stakeholders.

So, where to begin …

To determine eligibility of units it is necessary to expand on the fact that a system to commemorate units of the War of 1812 is not equivalent to receipt of battle honours.  To attempt to declare an equivalency to battle honours would require detailed analysis of roles, actions and battlefield contributions. This would eliminate some units from further consideration.  If the purpose is to be commemorative, then it needs to be equitable and recognize each participating unit.

Similarly, it is not perpetuation.  The system of perpetuation was developed after the First World War specifically to provide for the continuation of battle honours.  Units without battle honours are not perpetuated, and that condition remains in effect today.

The first step towards War of 1812 commemoration, therefore, is to develop a list of the participating units  -- as they were organized on the ground at the time.  It is necessary to begin here to avoid the inevitable conflicts with unit oral traditions of participation.

Once that list is developed, the originating regiments need to be established for any ad hoc units; this could be based upon the parent regiment of the commanding officers, or the originating regiments of the largest components of troops.  Confirming these units can establish the geographic points of origin to determine the most appropriate current unit to commemorate each unit of 1812.  (The use of geographic areas within which units were raised calls into one of the guiding principles used to determine perpetuation of units of the Canadian Expeditionary Force, 1914-1919.)

Taking a page from the system of perpetuation, it is suggested that only a single modern regiment should commemorate each unit of the War of 1812.  This avoids potential for conflict of overlapping responsibilities to represent units or attempts of participating elements to “pull rank” or to declare superiority based on current order of precedence.  In isolated instances where multiple units wish to make a case to claim the privilege of commemorating a War of 1812 unit and it is found to have merit by an appropriate committee, then a carefully developed agreement to share the privilege between them must be developed.

The result should be a fairly simple list of units of the War of 1812, and opposite those unit names would be the names of the modern regiments assigned to commemorate them.

The language by which units describe such a connection to units of the War of 1812 must also be carefully developed: it is not lineage, it is not perpetuation, it should be described as “having the privilege to commemorate the actions of _____ in the War of 1812.”  To fail in developing a clear understanding of the nature of the connection, and its modern origins, would be to set the conditions for an even greater potential for confusion over claims of lineage than may exist today.

The poor record we have across the army in understanding such things as regimental perpetuation, amalgamations, battle honours and all the other things people might like to label historical minutiae, there remains great potential for confusion when misinterpretation and simplification slips into how this might be explained to serving members and to all Canadians.  This potential for confusion needs to be prepared for in order to avoid further confusion of the historical record by the populist, and often inaccurate, oral narrative.

As a final point it is proposed that no specific devices or other physical items be taken into formal use.  This, again, reduces conflicting perceptions of the system of commemoration with other formal honours systems.


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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2010, 11:16:10 »
We should also define a list of actual engagements to be so honoured. Do we use just a generic War of 1812, and/or Niagara? Should we start or even end with the above noted quartet of British Battle Honours listed?

I have a list of "major" engagments of the war (Bn sized or larger) on my home PC and will try and post it hopefully tonight as a start point.

As we identify specific units we can begin matching them with the battles and eventually have our list(s).

While there will be more than one specific Battle Honour available to some units, perhaps a system where a maximum number may be emblazoned on the Colours/Guidons as for other conflicts could be considered.
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2010, 11:27:36 »
I have a list of "major" engagments of the war (Bn sized or larger) on my home PC and will try and post it hopefully tonight as a start point.

You'll note in my comments above that I proposed specifically not tying commemoration only to battle actions, that avoids confusion with official battle honours and ensures that units which were not in action are also remembered. 

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2010, 11:50:44 »
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So the idea of the generic "Niagara" Battle Honour or "War of 1812" then?

I have no problem recognizing units that may have served in the theatre without actually seeing action. Some units such as the Nova Scotia Fencibles saw no action but freed up other units on Garrison duty in the Atlantic so they could march to Upper or Lower Canada. When the New Brunswick Fencibles becmae the 104th Regiment of the Line, a new Fencible unit was raised in NB for Garrison duty.

Other Units both Fencibles and Militia (Sedentary and the composite Bns of flank companies) saw extensive action esepcially in the earlier battles in the Detroit, Niagara and St Lawrence theatres. Should they not recive credit for this, even if it's just another Honour not emblazoned on their Colours (or in the case of some units emblazoned again).

We may also need to look at our Naval bretheren as botth the Provincial Marine on the Great Lakes and the  Privateers on the Atlantic coast played their part.
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2010, 12:05:20 »
If there was a basis for battle honours I believe it would have been dealt with at the time, in accordance with the regulations in place then.  The Canadian government should not be expected to award formal honours of any type for actions that occurred before it existed.

That is why the proposal I presented above focuses on commemoration of all participating units.  It will be up to the designated commemorating units to ensure the various actions, whether those be on the field of battle, lines of communication, rear areas or otherwise, are identified and recognized appropriately.  An undue focus on battlefield activities undermines the concept of recognizing all participation as of equal importance to the final outcome.

And the role of naval units could be examined by the same process.

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2010, 12:15:33 »

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2010, 15:57:08 »
 Danjanou ... Perhaps you overlooked a tiny point in my message. Both the Compulsory Sedentary Militia (which are the ones that fought in the War of 1812) and the Voluntary Active Militia are both 'County-based', in the same Counties. Would this be the 'legal' end-run that you would be looking for ? Or is it a mute point ?

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2010, 16:51:37 »
Most people miss the ref to the MILITIA ACT OF 1855...which is the  defined start of THE CANADIAN ARMY that exists today.  No unit is older than it and none has seniority that goes before it...although some units have tried to draw links back to some of the units that pre-date it. Hence the first Battle Honour is the Fenian Raids 1870...

The reference to South African Battle Honours above is also interesting. Infact it was done quite deliberately and the provision of the "South Africa" Honour to units of the Militia was based on how many soldiers they provided to the n or 35 I believe...and it took until 1932 to sort out the allocation....


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No Canadian Unit can claim ancestry from any British-Canadian Unit, as all those Units were either disbanded within a few years after the end of War of 1812 or they had reverted back to the Sedentary Militia. ... 01 Jul 1855 when the MILITIA ACT, 1855 was proclaimed into law. Subsequently, the Sedentary Militia was re-styled “Non-Service Militia” (1864); “Reserve Militia” (1869); last enrolled in 1873 and finally abolished in 1950. No Units that I am aware of, were transferred to the new ‘Active Militia’, hence no lineal descent to any Unit in the new ‘Active Militia’


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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2010, 17:03:02 »
Michael,

I think your proposal has merit.  Grant a unit a 'privilege to commemorate' rather than a Battle Honour or a lineage descendency for the War of 1812.  I think you're also correct however, when you say that not everyone will welcome the proposal no matter how it is presented.  I can see a lot of regimental infighting for the awarding of the 'privileges'.  In this case I think the best solution will unfortunately be the one that angers the most people.

Cheers,
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I served with John Heddle (wheels031) and know him to be not only pure of heart but an amatuer historian, just like the rest of us.  While he is new to the forum he is not new to the Canadian Army and its history.  I think you will each enjoy the other's views just as much as I've always enjoyed yours.  D.
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2010, 17:22:44 »
Ah I need to forget even I have limits multi tasking and shouldn't be on here while covering two other missing persons stuff at workin addition to my own, I miss crap. :-[

That indead may be a possible legal end run.

However we end up doing this, Micheal's way. or any other, or combination, we need to start moving forward a bit. We seem to keep moving around the same points without resolving them. 

Perhaps put this aside for a bit ad move onto the techincal nitty gritty of whom to and what should be awarded including a a bit of cyber chinese  parliament round table "so what" style discussions on who where and when.

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2010, 22:42:47 »
Ok rather than cut and paste a list of all battles and skirmishes like I said, I thought it would be easier to put the site up (translation I have a family crisis to deal with at home and can’t play on the internet too much tonight)

http://www.warof1812.ca/

List of Battles Skirmishes etc
http://www.warof1812.ca/1812events.htm

List of British/Canadian Regular/Fencible Regiments and battles they were present at.
http://www.warof1812.ca/charts/regts_na.htm

The wiki site is actually pretty accurate ( unless someone goes in and edits it to add the 19th Alberta Dragoons)
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2010, 18:51:35 »
The idea of commemorating the War of 1812 is gaining traction if today's Speech from the Throne (pg 21) is any indication.
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2010, 14:28:16 »
Why not have the individual military units petition the Lieutenant Governors of the provinces they are located in to carry carry a "War of 1812" honor for service in that conflict and/or a more specific "Place Name 1812 (or other appropriate year) to commemorate service or battle of a more specific nature?
The honors could be awarded during ceremonies taking place in 2012.  In my opinion, this is  the surest and least expensive way for Canadian military units to get recognition for War of 1812 service.

 

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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2011, 11:36:28 »
I have not heard/seen anything new on the topic. Does anyone have an update?
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2011, 17:02:30 »
Ladies and Gentlemen:

Honour our 1812 Heroes is a group of concerned Canadians dedicated to:

a. Securing official recognition of the Canadian military units that fought in the War of 1812; and

b. Preserving the legacy of those units by the award of Battle Honours to units of the Canadian Forces that perpetuate them.

Our aim is to accomplish these objectives by18 June 2012, the commencement of the bicentennial commemoration of the War of 1812.

You can learn more about this cause from the attached fact sheet. Please visit our website at www.warof1812.ca/heroes  where there is an easy step means of offering your support by sending a message to the government. You can also join us on Facebook (where we also post cool maps and images) and Twitter.

Thank-you,
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Re: WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION
« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2011, 17:14:44 »
Welcome to Army.ca a search would have shown there is already a topic on this.

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NASA spent $12 Million designing a pen that could write in the zero gravity environment of space. The Russians went with pencils.
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