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Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« on: May 13, 2010, 20:15:08 »
Hello there

I'm brand new to this site so please forgive me if similar threads already exist.

Here's my story;

I joined the regular forces in January 2002 as an infantry officer. I was 21 at the time and didn't have a degree. I think my entry program was CEOTP or something like that. I had to finish my degree part time over my 9 year contract.

I did BOTC at St-Jean and graduated in May 2002. I then went to Gagetown and did CAP, I managed to pass. Then I went on phase III infantry in winter 2003 and failed during the last week. I didn't deserve to pass anyway so I won't dwell on that. I asked for an appointment with the BPSO and he basically told me that I couldn't do anything else since I didn't have a degree. So I was recoursed and went to University part-time for the summer and fall. I re-did phase III infantry in winter 2004 and got hurt during the 5th week. I met the BPSO again and tried to get a transfer. I even asked if I could go NCO and once again, I was stuck and couldn't do anything. I went to university part-time again during fall 2004.

I submitted my release in january 2005. My reason was that I wanted to finish my degree and that I wasn’t a good person military-wise (yeah I know, stupid me). I got accepted at Bishop's University and my semester was starting on the 3rd of September 2005.

In late July I finally received my release package which stated that I was to be released under item 5d)

5d) Not Advantageously Employable:  “who, either wholly or chiefly because of the conditions of military life or other factors beyond his control, develops personal weaknesses or has domestic or other personal problems that seriously impair his usefulness to or impose an excessive administrative burden on the Canadian Forces".

The platoon 2IC told me that I could fill a "complaint" (there was a specific name for that document but I can't remember it). But of course, doing so was gonna push my release date and I was 6 weeks away from starting university, so I signed to thing and officially got released on the 7th of august 2005.

I graduated with a major in psychology and a minor in Spanish. After I graduated, I taught English in South Korea for a year. I then travelled over 3 continents for 5 months. I’m 29 now and I work as a social worker. I speak French, English and Spanish fluently (French being my mother tongue), and I can also get by in Korean. I’m healthy, in good physical shape, no criminal record and my credit is good.

 I re-applied as an Intelligence officer for the navy reserve a few weeks ago. All of my tests went well and I didn’t have to redo the aptitude test because it was still valid and I qualified for every trade.

However, during the interview, the captain (a vandoo guy) told me that my file had to go to Ottawa to get an “enrolment exemption” due to my 5d release (exemption d'enrôlement dû à votre libération 5D). He told me that I had a really good interview and strongly suggested that I’d be re-enrolled, but that’s only what he said, doesn’t mean much in the military world I know that.

So anyone could tell me what my chances are? Anyone had a similar story?

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 21:53:30 »
I've never seen a 5d.  However, the ones to worry about are 5f or anything starting in a 2 (neither of which are you).
Based on what the CFRC told you, I would stay confident. 

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 12:28:36 »
I have seen many 5Ds releases. They are not good.
1. Let your actions be your words
2. Lead by example
3. Always strive for a higher standard
4. Do not caudle the troops, but do not abuse them, treat them, exactly as they need to be treated to make a better soldier and potential leader.
5. The Infantryman is the backbone of any fighting force; his role is to "close with and destroy the enemy".

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 13:05:22 »
Thanks for the info

ArmyRick, could you be more precise? Story, when, why he released/got released.

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2010, 00:07:34 »
They just called me and I've been hired. Never back down I guess.

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2010, 00:51:40 »
Congratulations on getting back in, that's great!  I just have a question that I'm hoping someone can answer for me.  I'm in a very similar position as you, but my situation differs in that I was released on a 3B (medical), graduated from RMC (with full honours) and I was commissioned prior to being medically released. When I was released I was given a medical category of 2, therefore, there are jobs like Logistics for which I qualify. I did BOTC in the summer of 2002 and I'm just wondering if I will have to do BMOQ or a portion of it?  Anyways, if someone could help me out here, I would really appreciate it.  Thanks :)    :salute:   :cdn:

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 12:46:40 »
Congratulations on getting back in, that's great!  I just have a question that I'm hoping someone can answer for me.  I'm in a very similar position as you, but my situation differs in that I was released on a 3B (medical), graduated from RMC (with full honours) and I was commissioned prior to being medically released. When I was released I was given a medical category of 2, therefore, there are jobs like Logistics for which I qualify. I did BOTC in the summer of 2002 and I'm just wondering if I will have to do BMOQ or a portion of it?  Anyways, if someone could help me out here, I would really appreciate it.  Thanks :)    :salute:   :cdn:

I know the name has changed many a time...however, I am under the understanding that BMOQ Mod 1 = IAP and BMOQ Mod 2 = BOTC.  I would also tend to think that if that is the correct statement, that you would have already passed "IAP".  So if ALL of that is correct, then no.  You would be qualified BMOQ.

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 22:26:34 »
Congrats on getting back in, by the way!

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 19:16:19 »
Thank you for the response clericalchronicals. Turns out you were right and I won't be required to do any portion of BMOQ. Thanks.
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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2011, 13:39:11 »
Thank you for the response clericalchronicals. Turns out you were right and I won't be required to do any portion of BMOQ. Thanks.

Glad it all worked out for ya!

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 21:36:11 »
I have the same question but mine is for a 5(f) release, I want to rejoin and my CSM told me when I was being released that it's not the end of the world, I would have to wait  2 years to be able to apply to the Army again and to be bondable. I was curious if anyone has been able to get back in with a 5(f) as well.

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Re: Re-enrollment after 5d) release
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 15:58:10 »
It all depends on what your 5f release was for.  The CFRC staff will have some basic info about why the 5f release was made in the first place, then will ask you specific questions about the circumstances and what you have done to address the issues.  Since enrollments is by competition, the probability of your re-enrollment depends on the other applicants across the country, and the number of vacancies in the occupation, and the evidence you can provide that the issues that related to the original 5f release have been resolved.