Topic: Navy guys want the converged CADPAT raingear (From: Naval Officers to Wear the Executive Curl)

[Tango18A]

We hopefully the Navy can get you guys something better than what you have now.  Maybe the SSI is eating up funds that could have been used better?

[jollyjacktar]

However, to the best of my knowledge, new rain gear is part of the overall review of naval clothing that is now ongoing.

Somewhere in the cobwebs of my mind I believe  I have heard this has/is being looked at as well.  However, with the length of process one might chalk it up to some of the other great misconceptions of western society.  "The check is in the mail.  I'll respect you in the morning.  There is a Santa Claus.  And lastly, Christmas is coming."

Yes, we all have bitched about the canary suit for years.  But, it does do what it is supposed to after a fashion.  Keep the water out.  Perhaps that is enough to slow change down if UCRs have been submitted.   I could have done with my old NCD jacket without the nifty new pockets on the sleeve for a while if the money could have gone towards decent rain gear if money is an issue.

[Halifax Tar]

JJT I can confirm that as of last summer the new rain gear was in the trial phase and distributed to a few personnel in the fleet for trials. I have seen the new rain gear and tried it on. Its just the same as the Army/Air stuff only plain black... Be patient it is coming my old friend!

[Blackadder1916]

NICE rainsuit.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/aete/2in1rainsuitwindbreaker-impermeablecoupevent2en1-eng.asp

2-in-1 Naval Wind Raingear (NWR)

Waterproof, static dissipative suit (2 pc) navy blue / black in color for wear as a walking out dress in hot weather and during cool, low relative humidity conditions. It will have thermal dissipative characteristics to be wearable from +10 to +25C.

No photos of said item at site and there doesn't seem to have been any updates in over a year.  If memory serves there was a thread on here last year about NICE.

[kratz]

If memory serves there was a thread on here last year about NICE.

Here is the link.

[Lex Parsimoniae]

However, to the best of my knowledge, new rain gear is part of the overall review of naval clothing that is now ongoing.

I was issued a navy blue rain suit in early '07 as part of the trial.  The suits we were issued were 'Canadianized' versions of the RAN rain gear.  We submitted our impressions/comments in the summer of '07.  Many switched back to the canary suits ASAP as they're more waterproof and durable.  Waterproof cold weather gloves...now that would be something!

[Pusser]

I thought gloves were in the works as well.  It matters not a lot to me.  My seagoing days are done.   However, even without the NICE project, we're still miles ahead of where we were when I joined.  Does anyone remember the old kapok weather jackets that would make you sink like a stone?  There were warm though.

[cobbler]

Camouflage is intended to mask the wearers presence, not to hide his sloppiness. We all know tomato sauce is hard to get out of anything, but the issue of Cadpat Raingear doesn't solve this dilemma.

Really closing your eyes as to the nature of shipboard work there.

[Zoomie]

In Edmonton I can't get a CADAPT ICE Parka issued to me

You can have mine.  Most aircrew that I know take all their relish and throw it all in a bag in the closet.

[Tango18A]

Really closing your eyes as to the nature of shipboard work there.

So how is the Cadpat Raingear going to help you on ship then??

You can have mine.  Most aircrew that I know take all their relish and throw it all in a bag in the closet.

Hence why I said that Cadpat is under utilized by Aircrews.

[Chunks]

I think the title of the thread is misleading...
I doubt that any sailor really want to walk around the Dockyard wearing Cadpat raingear over the NCD but the design of the jacket itself would be better than the canari.

[Good2Golf]

...Hence why I said that Cadpat is under utilized by non-tac hel Aircrews.

There, T18A, fixed it for you! 

Huah!
G2G

[Tango18A]

Thanks man.No slag intended for the Tac hel guys.

[CDN Aviator]

Hence why I said that Cadpat is under utilized by Aircrews.

It is certainly not under utilized by ground crews and support personel.......even non-tac hel ones.

[Good2Golf]

It is certainly not under utilized by operational ground crews and support personel.......even non-tac hel ones.

There, fixed it for you too, CA!  Man, what is it with you guys tonight?  LOL

[Tango18A]

I was particularly refering to the issue of the ICE parka to the AF. No requirement for it compared to the Army.

[CDN Aviator]

No requirement for it compared to the Army.

Realy ?

Have you tired servicing aircraft in the middle of winter in places like Cold Lake, Iqualuit, Inuvik, Yellowknife.......

[Tango18A]

Does the camo properties of the parka add to its warmth. The AF can have all the OG IECS parkas on a one for one from the Army.

[CDN Aviator]

Does the camo properties of the parka add to its warmth. The AF can have all the OG IECS parkas on a one for one from the Army.

The AF paid for theirs out of AF money....sorry you got ****ed by your own army.........take it up with the CLS.

[Tango18A]

Yes I know we bought a small pack system instead.

[ArmyVern]

I was particularly refering to the issue of the ICE parka to the AF. No requirement for it compared to the Army.

Interestingly, I posted a comment on the site wrt the Army's actual use of it's Parka and overalls ECW way back when, years ago, it was decided that they would not be issued to all Army personnel. I posted the reasons why that was decided and I included a pic of the piles of stuff we received back from a certain Infantry regiment.

Because, when we began doing the one for one exchanges ... a full 80% of the olive drab ECW parkas and overalls that were returned from Army personnel (Infantry guys) came back still in their original packaging which they had laid in for years in those pers' basements. Even those that were unpackaged when swapped out for the ICE, were in "excellent" or "brand new" condition. Why then, spend millions to get ICE for Army pers who didn't even wear their old OG stuff? Some did. But, the huge majority did not ever touch it.

On the other hand, the same could not be said for Air pers when we did their swap-outs. Even those in Trenton for example had used their old ECW ... it gets pretty damn cold working on a flight line with no windbreak for hours on end fixing an aircraft.

Your observation as to who "used" parkas was simply not borne out by facts brought to light when the exchanges occured. With 80% of army guys returning their old parkas and overalls still in their original packaging, it quickly became very obvious that there existed no requirement to purchase and issue new ICE to them all, but rather only into those positions who actually made use of that expensive kit.