Topic: Reserve Cpl to Reg forces Cpl faster?

[Celticgirl]

As Eowyn said, acting lacking corporals exist in the reserve. Knew one who didn't even have his QL3 mod 2 (sig op). Promoted two years after enrolment date, completed his mod 2 twelve months after that, then deployed overseas as a corporal.

Well, deployment would be different; Class C is treated as RegF in most respects, acting/lacking rank included.  A Cpl I worked with was deployed as an 'acting' MCpl, but reverted back to Cpl afterwards because, as she was told, "There is no acting/lacking in the reserves".  I also work with a Pte who was a Cpl with 4 yrs and her 5's in the RegF, who released and re-enrolled in a different trade but was offered Pte because she did not have her 5's in the new trade.  When she questioned it, she was told, "There is no acting/lacking in the reserves." 

Interesting that the Army and Air Force differ on this, though.  I wonder what the Navy's policy is on acting/lacking ranks.   

Does anyone have a ref (pub) handy on the differing policies for acting/lacking in the reserves? 

[CDN Aviator]

  A Cpl I worked with was deployed as an 'acting' MCpl, but reverted back to Cpl afterwards

It is more likely that this person was deployed WSE - While So employed - vice "acting " for the tour.

[PuckChaser]

The reserves will not allow an acting rank, lacking a leadership qualification.  E.g. One cannot be a Master Corporal without PLQ qualification.  Lacking trade qualifications is allowed.  So, a Master Corporal in the reserve with PLQ, could lack QL5.

That's changed, I've seen a lot of acting lack ranks in the PRes now. Sgts finally getting their QL6a, MCpls without their QL5s.

[kratz]

Interesting that the Army and Air Force differ on this, though.  I wonder what the Navy's policy is on acting/lacking ranks.   

Does anyone have a ref (pub) handy on the differing policies for acting/lacking in the reserves?

NavRes normally does not do acting lacking, instead they occasionally rely on 'while so employed' (WSE). I do not have the messages at home, but MARCORD 9-1 covers NavRes pers management.

There is a clarifying NAVRESGEN clearly indicating anyone who had a WSE promotion will not have that time credited in the higher rank.

[Celticgirl]

It is more likely that this person was deployed WSE - While So employed - vice "acting " for the tour.

Now that you mention it, yes, I believe it was WSE.  Good catch.

NavRes normally does not do acting lacking, instead they occasionally rely on 'while so employed' (WSE). I do not have the messages at home, but MARCORD 9-1 covers NavRes pers management.

There is a clarifying NAVRESGEN clearly indicating anyone who had a WSE promotion will not have that time credited in the higher rank.

Seen.  Thanks for the info, Kratz.

That's changed, I've seen a lot of acting lack ranks in the PRes now. Sgts finally getting their QL6a, MCpls without their QL5s.

This one has me scratching my head.  I can't get promoted to Cpl unless and until I graduate from my QL5, so how is someone promoted to the 'appointment' of MCpl without it? 

[airmich]

This one has me scratching my head.  I can't get promoted to Cpl unless and until I graduate from my QL5, so how is someone promoted to the 'appointment' of MCpl without it?

I was appointed to MCpl without my QL5.  Granted, it was acting/lacking.  Usually a member will have their QL5, get their MCpl and then go on JLC/PLQ.  In my case, I already had my JLC, got my MCpl and then did my QL5.

[Brasidas]

Well, deployment would be different; Class C is treated as RegF in most respects, acting/lacking rank included.

He was a class A reservist at the time. He completed the second half of his QL3 after well over a year as a class A reservist acting/lacking corporal, deployed, and returned to the reserve. He's a class A reservist again, still a corporal, and still doesn't have his QL5.

[Celticgirl]

I'm starting to suspect that my coworkers were not told the whole truth.  Hmmm...

[Nerf herder]

Then there is this little tidbit of info that is left out, from the perspective of the Armour trade -

When you do show up in your new Reg Force place of employment as a Cpl you are expected to pull your weight and conduct yourself as such, not coming in acting like a no hook Pte with only 2 years under your belt.

Remember, those two chevrons mean something to the people with only one (or none at all) chevron. They have been through the training system by Cpls of a high standard and will expect you to be the same. More often than not the Ptes will have more cumulative TI than you as well and loads of work experience. As an example, I have 3 Tprs currently outperforming the CT Cpls.

Failure to perform adequately not only will you be sorted out by your superiors but also earning respect of your peers and subordinates will be an uphill battle.

I've had a few CTs come in to my office for Tp interviews and state that they'd rather have gone through St Jean and done all their courses over again.

Regards

[Celticgirl]

Der Panzerkommandant,

There are two things that I hope will help me with the CT process: (1) I have had all RegF trg (Air Reserve), (2) I have worked in a severely understaffed OR for the past 10 mos and had to learn and do things that a Pte doesn't normally learn/do in the year following QL3 trg.

On the other hand, I see what you are saying, and it does worry me.  I've expressed these concerns to my CC but she believes I have enough experience to be able to keep up and she says I am a very fast learner (let's hope so) and a hard worker.  I know I'll be at a disadvantage, though, and will have to prove myself more at my new unit than Cpls with far more TI and experience.  It's going to be 'sink or swim' for sure, and to be perfectly honest, I am nervous as heck. 

[Nerf herder]

Der Panzerkommandant,

There are two things that I hope will help me with the CT process: (1) I have had all RegF trg (Air Reserve), (2) I have worked in a severely understaffed OR for the past 10 mos and had to learn and do things that a Pte doesn't normally learn/do in the year following QL3 trg.

On the other hand, I see what you are saying, and it does worry me.  I've expressed these concerns to my CC but she believes I have enough experience to be able to keep up and she says I am a very fast learner (let's hope so) and a hard worker.  I know I'll be at a disadvantage, though, and will have to prove myself more at my new unit than Cpls with far more TI and experience.  It's going to be 'sink or swim' for sure, and to be perfectly honest, I am nervous as heck. 

If your CC at 403 thinks you're GTG, then more than likely you are.

Regards

[Celticgirl]

If your CC at 403 thinks you're GTG, then more than likely you are.

Regards

Thank you.   I hope you are right. 

[agc]

Sorry to bring this back.  I missed a few posts on this thread.

That's changed, I've seen a lot of acting lack ranks in the PRes now. Sgts finally getting their QL6a, MCpls without their QL5s.

Right, this is basically what I said, just in a different way.  Managed to get into the CFAO this morning (it's 49-5 for Reserves if anyone needs it, but not avail on the internet at the moment).  Para 8 states that  a leadership qualification cannot be waived in respect of promoting a member to the next rank.  So the situations you describe are legit, but a Cpl seeking promotion to MCpl cannot be lacking the PLQ for example.

This one has me scratching my head.  I can't get promoted to Cpl unless and until I graduate from my QL5, so how is someone promoted to the 'appointment' of MCpl without it?

P Res promotion policy is different from Reg F.  The same CFAO as above refers (vice 49-4 for Reg F).  See Annex A Appendix 1.  Your QL3 (aka QL1) is the required occupational qual.

They *cannot* take an uncontrolled rank away, 2 years, 4 years, doesn't matter.  It used to be that they would revert you to Pte if you didn't have the equivalent of 4 yrs in + promotion to Cpl upon transferring to the RegF, but that has changed in the past couple of years.

If you see:

For information on rank protection, you'd want to refer to CF Mil Pers Instr 03/08, para 4.7. Available on page 9 of this document: http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/doc/03-08-eng.pdf

They can protect an uncontrolled rank, but only if certain criteria are met.

[JMesh]

P Res promotion policy is different from Reg F.  The same CFAO as above refers (vice 49-4 for Reg F).  See Annex A Appendix 1.  Your QL3 (aka QL1) is the required occupational qual.

Actually, it looks like that may have changed. DAOD 5031-8 notes the same QLs for both RegF and PRes, though it also notes that the course itself may be different, and when it is, shall be named as such (PRes QL3, PRes QL5, etc.)

[agc]

Good eye.  However, this reference describes the framework for Professional Development.  The CFAO is the actual career policy that governs promotion authorities.

[clericalchronicals]

If you see:

They can protect an uncontrolled rank, but only if certain criteria are met.

Actually, take that reference one step further, to Para 4.3, specifically where they speak of the "RPE" or review of previous experience.  Mark my words, just because you are a Cpl in the reserves does not by any means make you eligible to retain that rank in the RegF.  I've processed enough of these files to be able to say that.  Cheers.