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CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« on: February 13, 2011, 01:30:42 »
Anyone have a softcopy of CFAO 26-4 handy?  I'm trying to gather a list of the abbreviations of all the religions that appear on Cdn ID discs.

It seems that the official CFAOs aren't available online (http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/cfa-oaf/index-eng.asp).   I've searched the forums for CFAO 26-4 but all I can find is an old list (below).  I think there must be a newer version somewhere since I know many individuals with religion abbreviation not included in the list below. 

...Or is this now contained in the DAODs somewhere?

Thanks!

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3.     The religious denomination of the member will be abbreviated as follows:

Anglican ........................... ACC
Atheist, Agnostic, or no religion .. NRE
Baptist ............................ BAPT
Christian Science .................. CS
Greek Catholic ..................... GC
Greek Orthodox ..................... GO
Jewish ............................. JEW
Latter-Day Saints .................. LDS
Lutheran ........................... LUTH
Muslim ............................. MUS
New Apostolic Church ............... NAC
Other Protestant Denomination ...... OPD
Pentecostal ........................ PENT
Presbyterian ....................... PRES
Roman Catholic ..................... RC
Salvation Army ..................... SA
Unitarian Universalist ............. UNI
United Church ...................... UCC
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 01:57:55 »
This is an excellent resource - Religions in Canada - http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pub/rc/index-eng.asp

As is this one:  Chaplains Manual - http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/cfcb-bsafc/pub/doc/acm-maft-eng.pdf
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 02:06:03 »
@Simian - Yes, thanks.  I saw that list as well while browsing... it's much longer than the one I have earlier in this thread but it doesn't include the abbreviations and I do not believe it is a comprehensive list (for ID disc purposes).   For instance, my denomination on my tags doesn't appear on that list...

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 08:13:52 »
I found two sites, but they have the same list as you have.

http://www.cadethqcanada.com/history.php

http://www.ppo-canada.ca/military/tags.htm#8
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 08:23:43 »
anjp - You have to remember that the abbreviations have to be easy to understand, which means they have to represent the most common religions that the CF has dealt with up to this point.  For example, if someone were Shinto and had something like SHIN on their tags, how many people would know what that meant?
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 08:29:49 »
In the CF, chaplains are either "Roman Catholic" (due to how many of us breeders there are) and "Protestant" (fairly equivalent to "other", which would include everything from Shinto to the multitude of Christian religions to, well, everything else).  Which denomination were you looking for?

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 08:32:46 »
TV -- Not sure if we currently have them but we do also have allowances for Muslim and Jewish clergy, who can be identified by the symbol on their cap badge.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2011, 08:35:14 »
TV -- Not sure if we currently have them but we do also have allowances for Muslim and Jewish clergy, who can be identified by the symbol on their cap badge.
You're right, we do, but I'm just talking about the "branches" (not the right term) of the Chaplain Branch.  And I think that there are three cap badges; one each for Christian chaplains, Muslim chaplains (Imams) and Jewish chaplains (Rabbis).

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2011, 08:54:14 »
You're right, we do, but I'm just talking about the "branches" (not the right term) of the Chaplain Branch.  And I think that there are three cap badges; one each for Christian chaplains, Muslim chaplains (Imams) and Jewish chaplains (Rabbis).

I have to wonder how many sets of ID discs CPgear has done up that say 'JEDI' on them?
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2011, 10:14:33 »
anjp - You have to remember that the abbreviations have to be easy to understand, which means they have to represent the most common religions that the CF has dealt with up to this point.  For example, if someone were Shinto and had something like SHIN on their tags, how many people would know what that meant?

Hey I didn't make up the abbreviations :) , I'm just looking for the list.  I know that what I've found so far isn't complete, because my denomination isn't on the list.  But it IS on my ID discs...

For those who are curious, I told the clerks back in basic I was part of the associated gospel churches of canada.  I have 'AG' on my discs.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 10:28:31 »
So, do they just make stuff up now?    ???

According to both of my links:

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A member claiming a religious affiliation other than those shown above will be classified Other Denomination (OD).

Perhaps they should have used AGC.   ;)
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 10:51:36 »
Yes AGC seems to make more sense doesn't it?  :)
I know the list I've found and your lists aren't complete as I remember the clerks going through the options, and they included wiccan, rastafarian and a couple other memorable choices.   

It's gotta be somewhere.... I'll keep looking.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 11:21:36 »
Is Jedi an option yet?
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2011, 11:38:26 »
When I applied and had to list religion, I said C of E, the recruiter said "you mean ACC".  I said "No, I was baptised into the Church of England, that's what my baptism certificate says."  "Same thing" says he.   "Is not" says I. End result- "just put NRE then."
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2011, 11:58:16 »
Just to add to the confusion, the contractor who makes/produces the ID Discs is notorious for making errors in spelling names.  If your ID Discs have a Religion that is not recognized by the CF stamped on them, then perhaps it is yet another case of the contractor making an error in spelling or perhaps using their own initiative to create an abbreviation. 

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2011, 13:08:42 »
The relevant section of the CFAO reads:

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RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS

3.     The religious denomination of the member will be abbreviated as
follows:

Anglican ........................... ACC
Atheist, Agnostic, or no religion .. NRE
Baptist ............................ BAPT
Christian Science .................. CS
Greek Catholic ..................... GC
Greek Orthodox ..................... GO
Jewish ............................. JEW
Latter-Day Saints .................. LDS
Lutheran ........................... LUTH
Muslim ............................. MUS
New Apostolic Church ............... NAC
Other Protestant Denomination ...... OPD
Pentecostal ........................ PENT
Presbyterian ....................... PRES
Roman Catholic ..................... RC
Salvation Army ..................... SA
Unitarian Universalist ............. UNI
United Church ...................... UCC

4.     A member claiming a religious affiliation other than those shown above
will be classified Other Denomination (OD).

Issued 1989-07-07

However, each base/wing should have its own ident section.  Try giving the MP's a call tomorrow.

I mean... this question has been asked before!  How dare you come in here and not use the search function! 

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2011, 20:52:45 »
The order page at CP gear includes a couple more in the drop down menu.

http://www.cpgear.com/StoreBox/embr/1040_0.htm

I understand that's hardly official or definitive, but it might help.


Edit: the two additional ones CP gear includes are Buddhist and Hindu.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2011, 09:23:17 »
Found this, but I don't know the source:
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As of 1 June 2006, the following list of faith groups, and the abbreviations as indicated, are authorized for use for identification purposes within the Canadian Forces. 
Aboriginal Spirituality   ABSP
Anglican Church of Canada   ACC
Associated Gospel   AG
Bahá’í Faith   BAH
Baptist Church   BAPT
Brethren in Christ Church   BREN
Buddhism   BUD
Christian and Missionary Alliance   CMA
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)   DISC
Christian Congregational   CONG
Christian Reformed Church   REF
Christian Science   CS
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints   LDS
Church of the Nazarene   NAZ
Eastern Rite Catholic   CATH
Evangelical Free Church   EFC
Evangelical Missionary Church of Canada   EMC
Hinduism   HIN
Humanist   HUM
Hutterian Brotherhood   HUTT
Islam   ISL
Jehovah’s Witnesses   JEH
Judaism   JUD
Lutheran Church   LUTH
Mennonite Church   MEN
Methodist   METH
New Apostolic Church   NAC
Orthodox (Christian)    ORTH
Pagan   PAG
Pentecostal Assemblies   PENT
Presbyterian Church in Canada   PRES
Rastafarianism   RAS
Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)   RSF
Roman Catholic Church   RC
Salvation Army   SA
Scientology   SCIE
Seventh-day Adventist Church   ADV
Sikhism   SIKH
Unitarian Universalist Church   UNI
United Church of Canada   UCC
Wesleyan Church   WES
Wicca   WIC
Worldwide Church of God   WCG
Zoroastrianism   ZOR
   
Atheist, Agnostic, no religion expressed   NRE
Other Christian Denomination (Protestant)   OPD
Other Eastern religions   EAST
Other religions   OREL

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2011, 11:36:59 »
That list looks plausible... and certainly fits the abbreviation on my ID discs.   Where did you find it?

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2011, 11:47:37 »
If it's legit, I like the idea that the Orthodox (Christian) types are recognized as being more than just Greeks.  It was always interesting having "GO" on my dog tags and not being Greek, or even married to a Greek.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2011, 11:54:02 »
Apparently, it doesn't really matter what's on your I disc:
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2011, 12:27:40 »
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2011, 20:45:25 »
That list looks plausible... and certainly fits the abbreviation on my ID discs.   Where did you find it?
Like I said, I don't know the source.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2011, 16:40:48 »
Good evening,

I have read this topic long ago myself. Being Wiccan myself I have spent a lot more time researching this vary topic. Today I have an answer to my research and your question. CFAO 26-4 does only have a short list of religions for use on the Identity Discs. However that document was last updated 07 July 1989. Since that time CFAO's are no longer updated, but rather replaced by DAOD's. The issuing authority for this CFAO is NDIS (National Defence Identification Services). Through some friendly channels I managed to acquire their number. It turns out they drafted a replacement DAOD for CFAO 26-4 however each time they got someone in that could be the signing authority so that this new document could be assigned a DAOD number and be published, the individual got posted. Here is a bit of good news. That new long list you posted there is now issued by the Chaplain General to the Canadian Forces. I asked NDIS to send me an email with the details, their latest version of the list and an explanation; and they have. So if any of you require this to support approval for any faith on the new list including WIC to be printed on your Identity Discs look for me on military email. My last name is Brigley. I am the only one in the forces.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2011, 16:43:09 »
Good evening,

I have read this topic long ago myself. Being Wiccan myself I have spent a lot more time researching this vary topic. Today I have an answer to my research and your question. CFAO 26-4 does only have a short list of religions for use on the Identity Discs. However that document was last updated 07 July 1989. Since that time CFAO's are no longer updated, but rather replaced by DAOD's. The issuing authority for this CFAO is NDIS (National Defence Identification Services). Through some friendly channels I managed to acquire their number. It turns out they drafted a replacement DAOD for CFAO 26-4 however each time they got someone in that could be the signing authority so that this new document could be assigned a DAOD number and be published, the individual got posted. Here is a bit of good news. That new long list you posted there is now issued by the Chaplain General to the Canadian Forces. I asked NDIS to send me an email with the details, their latest version of the list and an explanation; and they have. So if any of you require this to support approval for any faith on the new list including WIC to be printed on your Identity Discs look for me on military email. My last name is Brigley. I am the only one in the forces.

Good work.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2011, 17:28:05 »
Out of curiousity, is there any need to have religion on the ID discs any longer? Or is it just an anachronism.

Seeing as, should you fall on some foreign field, I'm pretty sure that no matter what, your mortal remains will be returned home.  I stand-by to be corrected, but I thought the reason religion was on the dog tag was so that back in days of yore (WWI, WWII, Korea, etc), protestants weren't being laid to rest by catholic clergy or vice versa, although I admit I am not elightened as to the cosmic consequences of such a travesty.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2011, 17:47:09 »
That's why it's still there even today.

So that Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists etc. can be properly laid to rest according to their beliefs.

From my time working at Surrey Memorial Hospital, I learned quickly the different times the morgue is accessed. Islamics are forbidden to be cremated, the body has to be bathed, shrowded and buried so the head faces Mecca. Jewish must have the deceased buried as soon as possible after death.

Sikhs are either cremated or submerged at sea, and headstones are frowned upon and I believe the body has to be cremated and laid to rest by their religious leaders before sunrise if the person died at night, and before sunset if they died at day.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2011, 18:11:47 »


Seeing as, should you fall on some foreign field, I'm pretty sure that no matter what, your mortal remains will be returned home.

It is still entirely possible that bodies be recovered by enemy forces. They may not be returned home in short order or ever.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2011, 18:15:18 »
Having your body returned from overseas is almost impossible during full-scale war. Also, the religion on the id discs is there to make it easier to find the appropriate person to administer last rights (or other religious equivalent) to a dying soldier.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2011, 23:38:18 »
At first, I didn't realize I could. But I didn't check either. Sorry about that. Here is the doc, but I cannot post peoples contact info because of course we are not allowed to post military email addresses, etc...

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2011, 23:41:30 »
Here is the doc, but I cannot post peoples contact info because of course we are not allowed to post military email addresses, etc...
No problem it was the list that pertinent.  Thanks for posting.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2011, 08:56:22 »
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Also, the religion on the id discs is there to make it easier to find the appropriate person to administer last rights (or other religious equivalent) to a dying soldier

I think that's a good idea in theory but are the Padres (or equivalents) trained or at least familiarized with all of those religions listed? (Not trolling or debating - am genuinely curious). If the lone Wiccan in the CF goes down (sorry Raven) or a Rastafarian - will someone at the appropriate level/position know what to do ?

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2011, 09:09:32 »
Many, many years, in fact several decades ago, one of our padres showed me his "field manual" which had an annex with "hints" (directions?) for ministering to Jews and a few other Christian denominations. We were a much more homogenous (generally white, mostly Christian) army back then but I would think (only hope?) that chaplains still have similar "tools."

The topic came up because I had been leading a study group of subalterns preparing for Lt to Capt examinations and I had been teaching them how to figure out which services were part of the Adjutant General's domain - those which deal with the soldier as an individual, and those in the Quartermaster General's bailiwick - those which deal with soldiers as groups. The example I used was that chaplains, ministering to dying soldiers are, properly, an A Staff responsibility, but burials and graves registration, done by or under the supervision of Engineer units, is a Q Staff matter. This led to a discussion of "last rites" and a talk with the padre at lunch.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2011, 10:55:13 »
I think that's a good idea in theory but are the Padres (or equivalents) trained or at least familiarized with all of those religions listed? (Not trolling or debating - am genuinely curious). If the lone Wiccan in the CF goes down (sorry Raven) or a Rastafarian - will someone at the appropriate level/position know what to do ?

This is all very interesting to me.

Raven is not alone.  I ran into another Wiccan in the sandbox, so there are at least two in the CF.  It did occur to me that were I to fall, I would be subjected to a ramp ceremony.  As an atheist, the religious portion would not be welcome but of course I would have no say in the matter.   No escaping it I suppose, protocol goes on even for someone like myself.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2011, 10:58:43 »
Jacktar - I know he is not alone, I was light-heartedly referring to an earlier statement he made:
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Hypothesizing of course, that if the single, currently-identified Wiccan was to fall, who would know what to do with him?
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2011, 11:20:27 »
Hypothesizing of course, that if the single, currently-identified Wiccan was to fall, who would know what to do with him?

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2011, 11:22:57 »
I had a bit of a chat about that faith with the Padre at FMF one day.  She indicated that they had some idea of how to deal with it IIRC.  I believe they are going from the US Military who IIRC do have some instructions in that regard.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2011, 12:13:24 »
As an atheist, the religious portion would not be welcome but of course I would have no say in the matter.   No escaping it I suppose, protocol goes on even for someone like myself.

More curiosity than anything, but if you don't believe, then you wouldn't think that any ceremony would have positive or negative effects;  it would just be pointless in your mind. Therefore, why does it matter what type of ceremony is done? 

I'm not trying to stir the pot or argue, just curious.  I myself may fall into the Atheist category, although by definition I am probably Agnostic (can't prove or disprove anything, therefore I am on the fence).  Quite frankly, I haven't put a whole lot of seriously thought into it, but what I do know is that I do not rely on blind faith.  To further convolute it, my dogtags state OPD, which is what I am by birth.

That all said, our Padres are an extremely valuable asset in the CF.  Regardless of religion, these people have a wealth of knowledge, not only in religion, but in human nature and psychology as well.  Eventhough, I am not religious, I have had many conversations with Padres of a few denominations, whether it be in passing or for advice.  Each one of those conversations was very informative and enlightening. 
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2011, 12:16:36 »
More curiosity than anything, but if you don't believe, then you wouldn't think that any ceremony would have positive or negative effects;  it would just be pointless in your mind. Therefore, why does it matter what type of ceremony is done? 

I'm not trying to stir the pot or argue, just curious.  I myself may fall into the Atheist category, although by definition I am probably Agnostic (can't prove or disprove anything, therefore I am on the fence).  Quite frankly, I haven't put a whole lot of seriously thought into it, but what I do know is that I do not rely on blind faith.  To further convolute it, my dogtags state OPD, which is what I am by birth.

That all said, our Padres are a extremely valuable asset in the CF.  Regardless of religion, these people have a wealth of knowledge, not only in religion, but in human nature and psychology as well.  Eventhough, I am not religious, I have had many conversations with Padres of a few denominations, whether it be in passing or for advice.  Each one of those conversations was very informative and enlightening.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2011, 12:39:17 »
To the replies to my post, seen, but the point I was making was that 99% of the time, your NOK will arrange all funeral details for you including what sort of service you wish.

Granted if your remains are 'behind enemy lines' then this may not be possible, but does anyone really expect any future foe to respect religion on a dog tag, and then take the time to bury the individual in accordance with said religion? I don't believe so, however that being said I recognise the ongoing need to keep religion on the discs.

On a somewhat related note, the Royal Engineer JNCO Cadre (British Section 2 IC Course) actually had a PO of 'perform a field burial', the lesson given by the Padre in front of an open grave. Believe it or not, this lesson was actually of some use many years later when dealing with KIA.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2011, 12:59:10 »
but does anyone really expect any future foe to respect religion on a dog tag, and then take the time to bury the individual in accordance with said religion?

Not every potential enemy out there wants to cut your head off on Youtube or drag your body in the streets.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2011, 13:14:42 »
Does anyone know the protocol for Athieism? 

If the member doesn't want a ceremony, shouldn't that be respected?

I see the purpose of a ramp ceremony as a way of recognizing and respecting the fallen.  Can this be done without prayer?

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2011, 14:05:28 »
The ceremonies around death and burial are not just "for" or even wholly "about" the deceased. They also serve to comfort the living, to help them cope with the shock of the sudden death of a young comrade in arms (most people killed in battle are painfully young). If the deceased is a "registered" Atheist then the officiating officer or padre ought to structure the service so that a god is not invoked on behalf of the dead soldier, but that same officiating officer might well offer a heartfelt prayer for all those who grieve and who seek the comfort of religion.
 
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2011, 16:28:00 »
The ceremonies around death and burial are not just "for" or even wholly "about" the deceased. They also serve to comfort the living, to help them cope with the shock of the sudden death of a young comrade in arms (most people killed in battle are painfully young). If the deceased is a "registered" Atheist then the officiating officer or padre ought to structure the service so that a god is not invoked on behalf of the dead soldier, but that same officiating officer might well offer a heartfelt prayer for all those who grieve and who seek the comfort of religion.

The ramp ceremony is fine enough for that. It comes down, in my mind, to leaving clear instructions about your wishes. There's nothing worse than knowing that someone's funerary rites don't respect their beliefs or desires. My wife has a pretty good idea of what I'd want in the event of such an event, but in order to make it simpler, I've got specific instructions left with someone else as to what I want. Since I am an unapologetic atheist, there will be no religious overtone at all - in fact, all I want is to get people together for a party that will get as close to immortality as possible - one last big celebration of my life. Simple. All that matters.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2011, 20:13:03 »
If I order ID disc's and put down "IC " under religion will they actually go through the effort of seeing if IC is on the approved list for abrevations?
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2011, 22:01:46 »
Since this is sort of on topic, I also have a question out of curiousity.  Logistics and 'quality' of the remains allowing, how would a person who wished to be cryogenictly frozen be dealt with?

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2011, 00:58:02 »
Since this is sort of on topic, I also have a question out of curiousity.  Logistics and 'quality' of the remains allowing, how would a person who wished to be cryogenictly frozen dealt with?

Probably in the same manner as all other members who die while serving - the NOK are contacted who, (either alone or in conjunction with the executor of the member's estate and depending on how they interpret the deceased wishes) make the arrangements for the deceased's final resting place.  Some of the costs related to the handling of the post-mortem popsicle remains may be reimbursable similar to other funeral/burials expenses as per CBI 210.20.
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2012, 12:30:51 »
Jacktar - I know he is not alone, I was light-heartedly referring to an earlier statement he made:
Hypothesizing of course, that if the single, currently-identified Wiccan was to fall, who would know what to do with him?

Actually that is a good question. I does become a matter of the ICCMC (Interfaith Committee On Canadian Military Chaplaincy) whose correspondence is the Wiccan Church of Canada. From there they would be able to determine what tradition I follow and what burial rights are required.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2012, 12:35:55 »
Since this is sort of on topic, I also have a question out of curiousity.  Logistics and 'quality' of the remains allowing, how would a person who wished to be cryogenictly frozen be dealt with?

Reminds me of a Simpsons episode:

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2012, 12:37:02 »
If I order ID disc's and put down "IC " under religion will they actually go through the effort of seeing if IC is on the approved list for abrevations?

If you check the list I included in a previous post, those are the authorized abbreviations.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2012, 11:21:00 »
Jacktar - I know he is not alone, I was light-heartedly referring to an earlier statement he made:
Hypothesizing of course, that if the single, currently-identified Wiccan was to fall, who would know what to do with him?

lol, let me re-word that. I am NOT the only Wiccan in the forces, but I am the only Brigley in the forces.

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2012, 20:39:02 »
Found this, but I don't know the source:

Interesting to note that the previous designation MUS (Muslim) has been replaced by ISL (Islam).

A Muslim is the person; Islam is the religion.

I wonder what reasoning led to the change?


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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2012, 20:43:46 »
I wonder what reasoning led to the change?

well.........

A Muslim is the person; Islam is the religion.


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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2012, 20:50:21 »
Gee.....you think?
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2012, 08:59:37 »
For more info, here is the official book for the Padre's (and the rest of us really):
http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/pub/rc/doc/rc-eng.pdf

It does not have the abbreviations, just some brief background on the recognized religions/sects in Canada.

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FYI, Wicca starts on p.117  ;D

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