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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2011, 14:21:43 »
I'm glad you enjoyed my earlier works  ;)

The point of the article isn't so much that we could have avoided or prevented the disaster, but rather that reliable techniques exist to forecast such events. Rather than crying wolf or playing chicken little, it is prudent to start taking these techniques seriously.

Imagine if these warnings had been used to raise some EMS levels of alert, perhaps move some equipment and supplies into higher readiness and so on. The JSDF would have been the ideal vehicle for this (moving things around could be part of a readiness exercise), and other, non obtrusive things like cataloguing where heavy construction equipment is located can also be done at the time.

We need to start thinking along these lines as well. Ice storms and floods are part of the Canadian landscape, and BC is located along the "Ring of Fire" and could be devastated by an earthquake at some time. (If we had some means of predicting increased probabilities of earthquakes like described then we should be getting on with that as well).
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2011, 20:30:22 »
or maybe, just maybe, there really is no significant rise in radiation in BC.

edit: extra comments removed, because they really did not add anything useful.


Bay Area rainwater tested last month exceeded federal standards for radiation in drinking water by 46 times, but a federal agency downplayed the potential health effects because the radiation is weakening rapidly and short-term exposure brings minimal risks.



Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-area/2011/04/radiation-bay-area-rainwater-high-weakening?utm_source=feedburner+sfexaminer%2FLocal&utm_medium=feed+Local+News&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sfexaminer%2FLocal+%28Local+News%29feed&utm_content=feed&utm_term=feed#ixzz1JAZpPd3b

Up here we turn off the detectors.

In he states EPA wants to riase "Safe Radiation Exposure limits.

Here is another wacko alarmist site for your perusal

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2162
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #77 on: April 12, 2011, 01:18:43 »
Vancouver, Canada radiation tests show iodine-131 in rainwater at almost 100 times above US drinking water limit

link here
http://enenews.com/recent-radioactivy-testing-vancouver-canada-shows-iodine-131-rainwater-almost-100-times-above-drinking-water-limit?replytocom=9298


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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #78 on: April 12, 2011, 05:59:39 »
Kakatzi

I am positive that that is NOT an official site, but one that has been set up by some Environmental Activists.  Most of the links on those pages lead to ERROR messages or Blank Pages.

Here is an example:

Click on the bottom link in the top right margin RECENT POSTS:  "Cesium-137 forecast shows high altitude radiation cloud concentrating over California, western US on April 12 (VIDEO)"

And you land up with a link to YouTube about "Nadja Pettitt - Parisian, Mother of 7, Mormon "  http://enenews.com/cesium-137-forecast-shows-high-altitude-radiation-cloud-concentrate-over-western-us-on-april-12-video
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #79 on: April 12, 2011, 12:30:47 »
George,

Thx, it probably is.

They may also have had problesm setting up their links, or someone else pointed that out to them

I just clicked on the link provided and it seemed to be a valid link.

I think we all hope that the situation will mitigate, with minimal impacts.

I certainly wouldn't want to one of those reposnsible for deciding what info to release.

Seems to be a lessor of two evils scenario

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #80 on: April 12, 2011, 12:52:10 »
George,

Thx, it probably is.

They may also have had problesm setting up their links, or someone else pointed that out to them

I just clicked on the link provided and it seemed to be a valid link.

I just checked again, and that "video" has now moved to the top of the page, under most watched, and it links to Google Ads.


I would say that this really is a bogus site, made up to fear monger.
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2011, 01:01:44 »
Fukushima Daiichi Plant, now a Level 7, INES (same level as Chernobyl, but some differences):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/france-wants-nato-to-fight-harder-against-gaddafis-forces/2011/04/12/AFxrFEND_story.html

Meltdown in 3 of the reactors.  Speedy response to evacuate the area earlier on may have prevented loss of life among residents.  The Cesuim 131, 137-- half life of 30 years, so it's unlikely those lands will be considered habitable for a while, although I've heard reports of some elderly residents staying on.

I've read that the "Fukushima 50", consists of about 300 plant workers, firemen, emergency workers, who have had high radioactive exposure, some of which don't expect to live longer than a month-- not science, just reports from the perceptions of the workers themselves.  Quite a sacrifice.

More areas of evacuation are expected within the month.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #82 on: May 09, 2011, 11:05:37 »
Quake shifted Japan; towns now flood at high tide
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Date: Monday May. 9, 2011 6:19 AM ET

ISHINOMAKI, Japan — When water begins to trickle down the streets of her coastal neighborhood, Yoshiko Takahashi knows it is time to hurry home.

Twice a day, the flow steadily increases until it is knee-deep, carrying fish and debris by her front door and trapping people in their homes. Those still on the streets slosh through the sea water in rubber boots or on bicycle.

"I look out the window, and it's like our houses are in the middle of the ocean," says Takahashi, who moved in three years ago.

The March 11 earthquake that hit eastern Japan was so powerful it pulled the entire country out and down into the sea. The mostly devastated coastal communities now face regular flooding, because of their lower elevation and damage to sea walls from the massive tsunamis triggered by the quake.

In port cities such as Onagawa and Kesennuma, the tide flows in and out among crumpled homes and warehouses along now uninhabited streets.

A cluster of neighborhoods in Ishinomaki city is rare in that it escaped tsunami damage through fortuitous geography. So, many residents still live in their homes, and they now face a daily trial: The area floods at high tide, and the normally sleepy streets turn frantic as residents rush home before the water rises too high.

"I just try to get all my shopping and chores done by 3 p.m.," says Takuya Kondo, 32, who lives with his family in his childhood home.

Most houses sit above the water's reach, but travel by car becomes impossible and the sewage system swamps, rendering toilets unusable.

Scientists say the new conditions are permanent.

Japan's northern half sits on the North American tectonic plate. The Pacific plate, which is mostly undersea, normally slides under this plate, slowly nudging the country west. But in the earthquake, the fault line between the two plates ruptured, and the North American plate slid up and out along the Pacific plate.

The rising edge of plate caused the sea floor off Japan's eastern coast to bulge up — one measuring station run by Tohoku University reported an underwater rise of 16 feet (5 meters) — creating the tsunami that devastated the coast. The portion of the plate under Japan was pulled lower as it slid toward the ocean, which caused a corresponding plunge in elevation under the country.

Some areas in Ishinomaki moved southeast 17 feet (5.3 meters) and sank 4 feet (1.2 meters) lower.

"We thought this slippage would happen gradually, bit by bit. We didn't expect it to happen all at once," says Testuro Imakiire, a researcher at Japan's Geospatial Information Authority, the government body in charge of mapping and surveys.

Imakiire says the quake was powerful enough to move the entire country, the first time this has been recorded since measurements began in the late 19th century. In Tokyo, 210 miles (340 kilometers) from Ishinomaki, parts of the city moved 9 inches (24 centimeters) seaward.
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2011, 23:06:42 »
Japan’s Fukushima Reactor May Have Leaked Radiation Before Tsunami Struck
By Yuji Okada, Tsuyoshi Inajima and Shunichi Ozasa - May 19, 2011
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-19/fukushima-may-have-leaked-radiation-before-quake.html

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A radiation alarm went off at Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s Fukushima nuclear power plant before the tsunami hit on March 11, suggesting that contrary to earlier assumptions the reactors were damaged by the earthquake that spawned the wall of water.

A monitoring post on the perimeter of the plant about 1.5 kilometers (1 mile) from the No. 1 reactor went off at 3:29 p.m., minutes before the station was overwhelmed by the tsunami that knocked out backup power that kept reactor cooling systems running, according to documents supplied by the company. The monitor was set to go off at high levels of radiation, an official said.

“We are still investigating whether the monitoring post was working properly,” said Teruaki Kobayashi, the company’s head of nuclear facility management. “There is a possibility that radiation leaked before the tsunami arrived.” Kobayashi said he didn’t have the exact radiation reading that would trigger the sensor.

Officials at the company, known as Tepco, had earlier said the plant stood up to the magnitude-9 quake and was crippled by the tsunami that followed, causing the world’s worst nuclear crisis since Chernobyl in 1986. The early radiation alarm has implications for other reactors in Japan, one of the most earthquake prone countries in the world, because safety upgrades ordered by the government since March 11 have focused on the threat from tsunamis.
Earthquake Risk

Many scientists have considered the possibility of damage to Fukushima reactors from the quake, said Tetsuo Ito, head of the Atomic Energy Research Institute at Kinki University in western Japan. “Utilities should reinforce safety measures at nuclear power plants, particularly ones housing old reactors like the Fukushima station."

The company’s shares fell 8 percent today to 358 yen. They’ve fallen 83 percent since the disaster. The cost of protecting the Tepco’s debt from default rose to a record today, according to data provider CMA.

Tepco this week released thousands of pages of documents that highlight the chaos in the early hours of the disaster as workers frantically tried to prevent meltdowns in three of six reactors at Fukushima. They included pictures of whiteboards with scribbled notes of times and events.

Among the documents, the pressure and water level inside of No. 1 reactor inner vessel fluctuated after the earthquake hit at 2:46 p.m. Most of the readings for the No. 1 reactor go blank a little after 3:30 p.m. when the waves swamped the plant.

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Fukushima plant probably began spewing radiation within hours of earthquake: data
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/05/21/fukushima-plant-probably-began-spewing-radiation-within-hours-of-earthquake-data/
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Data released for the first time this week show three of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactors probably began spewing radiation within a few hours of Japan’s devastating earthquake and at least one may have gone into a full meltdown within about 15 hours of the tsunami striking the plant and shutting off its cooling systems.

Yet for the first days of the disaster, the plant’s operators and Japan’s nuclear safety regulators studiously avoided using the word “meltdown.” They repeatedly said they believed the reactors’ fuel rods were still intact and safely contained inside their zirconium sheaths.

In reality, the rods in the core of the No. 1 reactor had fully melted by the morning of March 12 and had fallen to the bottom of the reactor’s pressure vessel.

The documents show the plant’s managers dithered over whether or not to vent the reactor to reduce a build-up of dangerous pressure inside.

When they did decide to act, seven hours after being ordered to do so by the government, they discovered the vent system was inoperable, probably having been damaged in the earthquake, and had to be activated by hand.

By that time, radiation levels in the reactor were so high, volunteers could only spend a few minutes taking turns to crank the vents open.

In the end, the build-up of pressure from steam and explosive hydrogen gas was so great, the reactor exploded, damaging its outer containment walls and spewing radiation into the atmosphere..............
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #84 on: May 22, 2011, 06:20:11 »
Quake shifted Japan; towns now flood at high tide

Japanese superquake moved ocean floor 79 feet sideways and 10 feet up - and new data shows region is under more strain
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1389247/Japan-earthquake-Ocean-floor-moved-79-feet-sideways.html#ixzz1N4iO7h5v

The ocean floor shifted sideways by 79 feet in the Japanese earthquake in March - much further than scientists originally predicted.
And researchers are warning that immense amounts of seismic stress remain stored in the area, putting it at risk of further devastating earthquakes.
The journal Science has published three new papers about the effects and causes of Japan's March 11 mega-quake, which paints a picture of an earthquake hot spot much more complex and potentially dangerous than scientists had ever anticipated.

In one paper, the Japanese Coast Guard has released data from five geodetic instruments that in 2000-04 they had placed underwater along the fault line responsible for the colossal quake.

One of the instruments had actually been placed almost on top of the epicentre of the Magnitude 9.0 quake, at a station called MYGI.
Measurements taken in the week following the earthquake showed that at the MYGI site, the sea floor had moved about 79 feet to the east-southeast since the previous measurement in February. It had also risen about 10 feet.

Dr Mariko Sato, a geodesist with the Japan Coast Guard in Tokyo, believes almost all this movement  happened during the quake.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2011, 12:29:48 »
This site www.fairewinds.com continues tpo put out good coverage that I haven't seen anywhere else.

The presenter is a nuclear engineer, with a very dry sense of humour.

Main point seems to be that all the assumptions about how bad an accident could be lieterally went up in smoke, and that the regs were scewed to favour the industry at the expense of general public.

IMO, he makes a pretty good case.

Seems to be updated roughly weekly

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2011, 20:45:38 »
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/08/201181665921711896.html
Fukushima radiation alarms doctors
Japanese doctors warn of public health problems caused by Fukushima radiation.
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According to Dr Kodama, the total amount of radiation released over a period of more than five months from the ongoing Fukushima nuclear disaster is the equivalent to more than 29 "Hiroshima-type atomic bombs" and the amount of uranium released "is equivalent to 20" Hiroshima bombs.

crazy. a good read.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2011, 13:36:41 »
Japan tsunami flotsam begins washing ashore in B.C.
CTV news
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111216/japan-earthquake-debris-tofino-111216/
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Bottles, cans and lumber from the tsunami that devastated Japan in March began washing up on British Columbia shores this week, more than a year earlier than oceanographers had initially predicted.

Winds and currents have carried the items -- emblazoned with Japanese characters -- nearly 21,000 kilometres across the Pacific Ocean. They began washing up in the Tofino area on Vancouver Island's west coast earlier this week.

Jean-Paul Froment, a longtime area resident, says he's used to seeing things wash up on the beach, but has never seen such a large quantity of debris? at once.

Tofino mayor Perry Schmunk said municipal workers will take special care in cleaning up the retrieved items.

"We will treat the whole thing with respect because everything that has come ashore has dealt with a significant human tragedy," said Schmunk.

The tsunami, which came after one of the most powerful earthquakes ever recorded, claimed more than 15,000 lives and damaged more than 100,000 buildings.

The flotsam now arriving in B.C. heralds a much larger cluster of debris on its way. Russian sailors have reported spotting a giant floating cluster of material, estimated to be twice the size of Texas, about 2,700 kilometres east of Hawaii. The items include a fishing boat marked "Fukushima."

Initially, scientists thought it would take until early 2013 for the debris to arrive in Hawaii, but it is moving much faster than expected.

In November, American oceanographer updated that predication, saying his computer models showed that drifting boats and houses could be arriving in B.C. at any time.

"When you look at what floats in the water . . . you will see find many objects travel three times faster than surface water," he told CTVNews.ca last month, saying large objects can travel across the north Pacific at a speed of about 35 kilometres a day. "Those objects stick up so high out of the water they actually catch the wind and sail very fast."

A smaller object -- propelled only by the ocean current -- travels at closer to 11 kilometres a day.

He warned cleanup crews and local officials should keep public safety in mind when handling and disposing of large objects, saying it's possible they could still contain radioactive water.



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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2011, 17:07:11 »
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"We will treat the whole thing with respect because everything that has come ashore has dealt with a significant human tragedy,"

Yup, until the main load hits and starts to screw with their tourist season.

Hope those floating houses don't get there in one piece. The 'Occupy Tofino' bunch will be squatting before the Provincial Japanese Tsunami Cleanup Crew (c'mon, you know BC is going to enact one and try get the Feds to pays for it) gets to the beach.

Think you might have paid too much for those little green glass fishing net floats at Cathedral Grove? Wait till you see what they start charging for the dross that comes drifting in now.

A whole new boom\ bust industry is about to launch in BC ;) Bets being taken as to how long it takes for the BC gov't to get involved in issuing salvage licenses, restricting access, inspecting goods, etc. 8)

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2011, 17:30:22 »
Nope, not a cynic....your points are pretty much dead on..... :nod:
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #90 on: May 01, 2012, 13:09:42 »
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Urgent Request to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon
http://fukushima.greenaction-japan.org/
May 1, 2012
To: UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon

An Urgent Request on UN Intervention to Stabilize the Fukushima Unit 4 Spent Nuclear Fuel
 
Recently, former diplomats and experts both in Japan and abroad stressed the extremely risky condition of the Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool and this is being widely reported by world media. Robert Alvarez, Senior Scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), who is one of the best-known experts on spent nuclear fuel, stated that in Unit 4 there is spent nuclear fuel which contains Cesium-137 (Cs-137) that is equivalent to 10 times the amount that was released at the time of the Chernobyl nuclear accident. Thus, if an earthquake or other event were to cause this pool to drain, this could result in a catastrophic radiological fire involving nearly 10 times the amount of Cs-137 released by the Chernobyl accident.
 
Nearly all of the 10,893 spent fuel assemblies at the Fukushima Daiichi plant sit in pools vulnerable to future earthquakes, with roughly 85 times more long-lived radioactivity than released at Chernobyl.
 
Nuclear experts from the US and Japan such as Arnie Gundersen, Robert Alvarez, Hiroaki Koide, Masashi Goto, and Mitsuhei Murata, a former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, and, Akio Matsumura, a former UN diplomat, have continually warned against the high risk of the Fukushima Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool.
 
US Senator Roy Wyden, after his visit to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant on 6 April, 2012, issued a press release on 16 April, pointing out the catastrophic risk of Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4, calling for urgent US government intervention. Senator Wyden also sent a letter to Ichiro Fujisaki, Japan’s Ambassador to the United States, requesting Japan to accept international assistance to tackle the crisis.
 
We Japanese civil organizations express our deepest concern that our government does not inform its citizens about the extent of risk of the Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool. Given the fact that collapse of this pool could potentially lead to catastrophic consequences with worldwide implications, what the Japanese government should be doing as a responsible member of the international community is to avoid any further disaster by mobilizing all the wisdom and the means available in order to stabilize this spent nuclear fuel. It is clearly evident that Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool is no longer a Japanese issue but an international issue with potentially serious consequences. Therefore, it is imperative for the Japanese government and the international community to work together on this crisis before it becomes too late. We are appealing to the United Nations to help Japan and the planet in order to prevent the irreversible consequences of a catastrophe that could affect generations to come. We herewith make our urgent request to you as follows:
 
1. The United Nations should organize a Nuclear Security Summit to take up the crucial problem of the Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool.
 
2. The United Nations should establish an independent assessment team on Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 and coordinate international assistance in order to stabilize the unit’s spent nuclear fuel and prevent radiological consequences with potentially catastrophic consequences.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2012, 19:38:23 »
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Both articles should be considered as a "Must Read"

A Nuclear War without a War: The Unspoken Crisis of Worldwide Nuclear Radiation
by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28870


Radiation disease - here are the symptoms and causes
by Mark Sircus., AC, OMD
http://www.naturalnews.com/032087_radiation_sickness_symptoms.html#ixzz1uEKSLGc4

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami
« Reply #92 on: May 09, 2012, 12:25:58 »
Of interest to those who may be watching.

Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/